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Mofre's rant uses "capitalism" as a be-all bogeyman. He basically ascribes everything to "capitalism" without showing any indication what he means by that. He uses "capitalism" where he could use more specific terms -- money, greed, consumerism, economics, democracy, "Westernism" -- these are not all the same thing.

And of course you've also got a few "anarchists" running around here who will tell you the Soviets, China, N. Korea et al and every state that ever defined itself as "Marxist" and "anti-capitalist" was really "(state) capitalist" too. That really clears things up.

So if "capitalism" is everywhere at all times and places and is the repository of all that is wrong in the world -- what is there left to debate?

It's like an evangelical ranting about Satan -- he's everywhere and everything bad is his fault. So you can say "Damn you Satan!" but then what?

And I'm sorry my fancy words and attention to "meaning" bothers you. May have something to do with all those degrees in sociology I have.

I'm increasingly thinking I should just stick to the musical discussions around here . . .

"I'm increasingly thinking I should just stick to the musical discussions around here . . ."

Yeah let's keep what we have in common before a political wordbath gets out of hand. I hate politics (and got into trouble for that!) and can't seem to help my brain by discussing. There's a barbed wire fence which side to choose...

PS No I don't think feudalism was the same as capitalism. I'm a feudalist, I am Lord Morfe, and I own this land, now stop fucking it up or I'll set me big dogs on yer!

if you are referring to 'us anarchists' (what gave you that idea, may I ask??) in your second paragraph then read 'our' post again (and more carefully, please) I'll bother to rewrite the main part for you:
what china, the soviets and the US have in common is imperialism, nationalism and empire building -'capitalists or communists, they are only different in their economic systems';
prove us wrong or call 'us' anarchists again, cos that's what remains when you are neither pro-communist nor pro-capitalist, it seems...
cheers
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GP

" And of course you've also got a few "anarchists" running
around here who will tell you the Soviets, China, N. Korea
et al and every state that ever defined itself as "Marxist"
and "anti-capitalist" was really "(state) capitalist" too."

geez... whos mixin metaphors now? ...an jus how many degrees in socialology deux u need to aquire a black belt...hmmm.....

"So if "capitalism" is everywhere at all times and places
and is the repository of all that is wrong in the world --
what is there left to debate?" ummm... how about how to kill it?

"It's like an evangelical ranting about Satan -- he's
everywhere and everything bad is his fault. So you can
say "Damn you Satan!" but then what?"... then nothing mate... christainity and satan and the boogyman, and the tooth fairy are all make believe characters that lived in a book of stories
by the pedophile brothers of the cloth... unlike the very real globalized capitalism that impoverishes, enslaves and oppresses regardless of color or creed...

"And I'm sorry my fancy words and attention to
"meaning" bothers you..." no worries on that mate i'm sure mumsy and daddy paid good money for your hard earned education, that i'm quite sure u r using to better the condition of your fellow humans... " all those degrees in sociology I have." uh yeah.... all that education... again....

"I'm increasingly thinking I should just stick to the
musical discussions around here . . ." dunno... kinda bettin' those are pretty crap as well...

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