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Jeez J
Jeez Jun 10, 2017 08:03:12
Replying to Robot Emperor

Robot Emperor wrote:
Oh my head.

Sorry, but your wrong. This election was called to destroy the Labour party. The government has been liberally pissed on and they know it.

My teenage children are jubilant and say that this is shared by their friends. A Labour Party on a 50's style socialist manifesto has run the establishment to the wire. An interesting few years are in store.

I'll agree with you if there's another election soon and the Tories get voted out. Until then we are going to be claiming a moral victory for Corbyn but in effect continue to have tuition fees, private companies ripping off our national assets and squeezing the poor, ridiculous rents, school budget cuts and an NHS struggling to cope. The Labour Party had an opponent on the ropes struggling to stand up, the backing of the Remainders and people worried about the dementia tax, a massively increased youth vote and still the Tories managed to hold on to power.

What we need is the Scots to come back on side now that Indyref2 is dead in the water - that will change things for the UK as a whole. Either that or PR.

I can understand if people on the left are feeling happy that we made gains, but in reality until we can get Corbyn voted in to govt it's gonna be the same old establishment stitch up - food banks will continue to be a boom business, NHS chaos will get even worse and fat cats will have even greater expanding waistlines.

I don't want to be an honorable loser - this country desperately needs fixing asap.

Who cares if May gets replaced by Davis or Johnson? I couldn't care less.

T thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat Jun 10, 2017 08:34:14
Replying to Jeez

You're right of course that Labour didn't win, but I reckon the biggest winner goes beyond party politics - for me the big winner was hope. The Tory/Crosby campaign was based on smear and personal attacks, but little substance. Labour (in England anyway) barely mentioned May but focussed on policy and on what kind of society we want. It's quite likely that some of the Tory policies that go into the Queen's Speech will be changed to reflect the new balance in Westminster.

The exception to that positive campaigning was the disastrous Scottish Labour performance where Dugdale focused on the SNP. That badly backfired and ironically gave the Tories the seats they needed to cling on. Mind you, Dugdale may be satisfied with a result that lessens the prospect of IndyRef2 quite a lot. I think Sturgeon has also misjudged the mood in the months before the election was called, focussing too much on calls for another IndyRef while taking her eye off the domestic ball as FM.

I hope the biggest lesson politicians of all sides can take is to focus on policy, and on what kind of society we want live in. Labour didn't win, but I feel a sense of renewed hope that this country can be a kinder, fairer one.

R Robot Emperor
Robot Emperor Jun 10, 2017 18:12:11
Replying to Jeez

But Labour are now the most powerful left wing party in Europe - and have demonstrated that what were considered as old ideas still have traction with an electorate if offered. This result has global ramifications. Maybe even an influence in America.

I also think it makes a nonsense of the claims that the Brexit vote was due to a dominant right wing resurgence amongst the working class.