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Sanctuary Jun 4, 2017 12:17:13
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The London Mayor said we will not be cowed and we should carry on as normal.

100% Bollocks. People, especially the elderly, are terrified. Our country is becoming open season to terrorists. The media show people fleeing the scenes in terror and to a terrorist watching this must be manna from heaven!

When are we going to wake up to the fact that we are at war with these bastards. When will the penny drop?

The police, on and off duty, have been outstanding but are not soldiers and don't fight wars - but the army do!
Instead of us continually planning what we are going to do in the event of an attack, we should have the army out there scouring the country and eradicating those bastards before they do. The public will talk to soldiers more readily about people or groups they suspect in their area knowing they will be protected by professional soldiers.

Enough is enough are the wisest words I've heard in months. Now get the job done! We have been far too soft in this country.

E Ethericat
Ethericat Jun 4, 2017 12:25:20
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Put it this way, I think something else a little bit more affirmative than singing 'Imagine' and holding hands might also help....

T tjj
tjj Jun 4, 2017 13:16:41
Replying to Sanctuary

Sanctuary wrote:
The London Mayor said we will not be cowed and we should carry on as normal.

100% Bollocks. People, especially the elderly, are terrified. Our country is becoming open season to terrorists. The media show people fleeing the scenes in terror and to a terrorist watching this must be manna from heaven!

When are we going to wake up to the fact that we are at war with these bastards. When will the penny drop?

The police, on and off duty, have been outstanding but are not soldiers and don't fight wars - but the army do!
Instead of us continually planning what we are going to do in the event of an attack, we should have the army out there scouring the country and eradicating those bastards before they do. The public will talk to soldiers more readily about people or groups they suspect in their area knowing they will be protected by professional soldiers.

Enough is enough are the wisest words I've heard in months. Now get the job done! We have been far too soft in this country.

Stop it! You don't live in London or Manchester, the people who do have to carry on and carry on they will. Sadiq Khan had the right-minded response, he speaks not just for Londoners and London's many visitors but for the all the ordinary Muslim people appalled and horrified by what is going on. The extremists need to be brought to justice and maybe, just maybe, there is still time for some of their radicalized young men to be deprogrammed. They have been brainwashed by extremist religion.

Ethricat. Holding hands and singing Imagine wouldn't be such a bad thing - perhaps people will do that at the Manchester benefit concert today.

T thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat Jun 4, 2017 14:38:17
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Sanctuary wrote:
When are we going to wake up to the fact that we are at war with these bastards. When will the penny drop?

The police, on and off duty, have been outstanding but are not soldiers and don't fight wars - but the army do!
Instead of us continually planning what we are going to do in the event of an attack, we should have the army out there scouring the country and eradicating those bastards before they do. The public will talk to soldiers more readily about people or groups they suspect in their area knowing they will be protected by professional soldiers.

Enough is enough are the wisest words I've heard in months. Now get the job done! We have been far too soft in this country.

So here are some positive actions that could be taken:

Biggest one first - stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia, which funds and arms IS, and looking for trade deals with a regime that has some of the worst human rights issues on the planet.

Work with Muslim communities rather than seeking to blame every Muslim for the actions of a tiny minority, or demonising young Muslims as potential terrorists. You will no doubt have seen the condemnation from the Muslim Council of Britain: http://www.mcb.org.uk/london-bridge-attack-muslim-council-of-britain/

Stop bombing/attacking the Middle East. IS formed in the bloody hole we left in the middle of Libya. The cycle needs to be broken not reinforced.
https://i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cycle-of-hate.png

Stop cutting police services. https://youtu.be/k8CguKK17F0

All that stuff about putting the "army on the streets" is idiotic. This isn't Helmand Province. It's not even Londonderry and look how well that worked out. The army isn't the right body to be carrying out intelligence work. The police need to be properly funded and it would also help if US intelligence didn't go blabbing details of live investigations as they did in the immediate aftermath of Manchester.

Don't waste money renewing Trident. It's a fossil and the £20bn or whatever could be spent far more wisely.

Putting a tank on every lawn is not the answer. It never is.

T tjj
tjj Jun 4, 2017 16:52:31
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Sanctuary wrote:
The London Mayor said we will not be cowed and we should carry on as normal.
Just to get the record straight, Sadiq Khan was referring to an increased police presence on the streets of London when he said people should not be alarmed....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40149117/london-attack-grief-and-anger-sadiq-khan

L Locodogz
Locodogz Jun 5, 2017 09:25:09
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Well - I've made to my office in Leicester Sq unscathed and can't see to many signs of colleagues being terrified? Sad, yes, maybe a little subdued but terrified no. Thats the view from WC2

As for 'enough is enough' spot on - what has the home secretary/pm been doing for the past five years eh? Oh hold on........