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8 minutes to get there. There are no apologists for the killers they got what they deserved - and expected. But in the interest of calm and peace, something that the people of Manchester have shown with such courage, ramping up the hate is something we should leave well alone.

With the projected time-saving advantages of the new Crossrail and expanded use of bus lanes for emergency vehicles they will be able to do it in 7 minutes and 35 seconds next time.

Dhajjieboy opened this thread saying he's not forgotten 911 and that maybe he's alone in thinking that. Says a lot.

He says that now London and Manchester are getting a taste of what New York got and that he grieves. I know that no-one is grieving yet and everyone is still in shock. Grief comes later for those who actually grieve.

Thanks for your thoughts Dhajjieboy. It all helps.