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Littlestone L
Littlestone Apr 27, 2017 22:12:42
Replying to thesweetcheat

thesweetcheat wrote:
Curious which of the Tory manifesto policies you will be voting for fit into your and Ethericat's vision of a new world. I thought you were fighting to keep the old customs of Englande?
And I’m curious to know why neither you (nor anyone else on this forum) has addressed the question that I posed here – ie “...what exactly are the benefits of belonging to the EU? Can you please not only outline those benefits but also show how we, as an independent sovereign nation, could not, under our own political/democratic checks and balances, achieve the same benefits.”

I’d be interested in your reply to the second part of the second sentence specifically.

T thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat Apr 28, 2017 07:44:32
Replying to Littlestone

Yet again you have avoided the question, Tory voters always seem reluctant to identify which parts of the Tory manifesto they are voting for particularly. Jshell was similarly reluctant elsewhere in this thread.

I have made clear elsewhere in this thread why I think weveryone are better in Europe http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=75990&message=950933

I also think it's clear from that answer why I think we are less likely to achieve that outside the EU with a Tory government.

J John Rice
John Rice Apr 28, 2017 13:22:10
Replying to Littlestone

"what exactly are the benefits of belonging to the EU?"

Well, as an EU citizen you have the right to live and work in any one of 28 (now 27) nations and still retain all of the same rights as you would in your home country. To me -- as someone who has lived and worked in 5 EU nations -- that's a *massive* benefit.

I may be doing you a disservice, but I suspect you actually meant "what are the benefits to me personally?"

Brexiteer: There are no benefits to being an EU citizen.

Remoaner: But I just applied for a job in Frankfurt that I'm now unlikely to get because of the uncertainty of my immigration status.

Brexiteer: Yeah? But *I* don't want a job in bloody Krautland, do I? I meant there are no benefits for me personally, and if you perceive benefits that I don't want or don't see? Well, who cares? I'm more than happy to vote to deny them to you.