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thesweetcheat wrote:
Everyone is falling for it, it seems.
Not me tsc. Much to Moss’ irritation I spend way too much time listening to, watching and reading the news - both the sensible and the non-sensible bits, before settling on a direction of travel. One thing has become abundantly clear to me over the last few years though and it is this; a lot of people will form opinions on what they want to believe rather than what the facts are actually telling them. It’s the ‘Emperor has no Clothes’ syndrome.

The Brexiteers will tell you that a brave new vision for the country lies ahead once we leave the EU. I don’t know if that will happen but given my many years spent living in Japan I can tell you that an island nation similar to our own is quite capable of forging its own destiny - quite capable. Ditto South Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore. Of course those places have their problems but the point is that they’re not (with the now sad exception of Hong Kong) beholden to a large trading block like the EU. So, to the Remainers on this forum and elsewhere, I would ask this – what exactly are the benefits of belonging to the EU? Can you please not only outline those benefits but also show how we, as an independent sovereign nation, could not, under our own political/democratic checks and balances, achieve the same benefits.

To drewbhoy; I fully support Scottish independence. Ditto independence for Wales if they want it and the unification of Ireland. In my 70 years plus on this planet I’ve seen too many cultures assimilated by their big brother neighbours. And before I was born even more so. Indigenous peoples supressed, sometimes totally obliterated. Languages lost, cultures wiped away. The erosion sometimes takes place in a matter of a few years, sometimes it’s inch-by-inch over decades (Hawaii and Tibet to name just two) and all in the name of a ‘useful’ uniformity.

So, to those who want a ‘useful’ EU uniformity, I’ll ask you this – do you really want to see the day when there are no more pounds in our pockets, no more miles to travel because there’ll only be kilometres on our road signs? No more pints of milk on your doorstep (and yes, there are still parts of the country where pints of milk are left on the doorstep and Moss and I are fortunate to live in one). These things may be simple and to some unimportant examples of what uniformity means but they are symptomatic of a wider and much more insidious trend.

If you think I’m fantasising think again. After the Pacific War Japan decided to abandon its centuries-old weights and measures system and adopt the metric system. That included everything from how houses were designed and built, textiles were woven, paper was made and food was weighed. Everything. For a few years there was chaos until the law was eventually repealed. Architecture, crafts etc are now allowed to use the traditional weights and measures system. A tradition relating to the human form, not to some conjured up abstract measurement, has been reinstated with the result that Japanese culture is the richer for it.

So think carefully before you take the road to uniformity and the bland destination it offers. For feck’s sake, go down that road and in fifty years time we’ll all be speaking fecking Esperanto. ;-)

I asked the same question years ago...
"is individual culture worth preserving?"
Apparently, the very notion is now flippantly regarded as 'Nationalism' or 'Racism'.....
Or was told by the bobble headed masses that it's now a 'global economy'...'just deal with it'.
Sigh....
I guess i just gotta' get with the 'program'.

You have fallen for it. Your post is all about the EU vote (and yearning for some mythical Albion that never existed - we have pounds, miles and pints now, despite 40 years of being in the EU). My post is not about the EU or Brexit.

This election is nothing to do with that. May sees the opportunity to increase her majority to force through real Tory policies. Parliament hasn't stopped Brexit, on the contrary all parties supported the vote to trigger article 50. This is a convenient lie.

Nor me. You have raised many excellently observed points that I wholeheartedly agree with. Cultures should be preserved in mutual respect, tolerance, friendliness and openness. The final outcome of mass multiculturalism is monoculturalism. Native indigenous tribal peoples have suffered greatly in the past by mass absorption, and yet that seems to be conveniently forgotten by many on the 'official Left' who rightly shout for the rights of these people, and yet don't see the sad irony here in the bigger picture of the intended western global project. A lot of people with undoubtedly good intentions are being duped wholesale, I'm afraid, and the right don't give a fuck, nor pretend otherwise. All serpents on the same Medusa's head.

For me, the political system I could support with enthusiasm, and above all a clear conscience, does not as yet exist, but I do believe that one day it will. We will have no choice in the matter as it will be birthed out of the inevitable, in my view, collapse of the current ruling paradigm due to its insane collective greed and stupidity. Karma in action.

Littlestone wrote:
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To drewbhoy; I fully support Scottish independence. Ditto independence for Wales if they want it and the unification of Ireland. In my 70 years plus on this planet I’ve seen too many cultures assimilated by their big brother neighbours. And before I was born even more so. Indigenous peoples supressed, sometimes totally obliterated. Languages lost, cultures wiped away. The erosion sometimes takes place in a matter of a few years, sometimes it’s inch-by-inch over decades (Hawaii and Tibet to name just two) and all in the name of a ‘useful’ uniformity.

I've always supported independence for Tibet and Hawaii (people who support independence in Scotland have always looked out for the Pacific countries).