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phallus dei Nov 14, 2015 22:09:35
Replying to billding68

billding68 wrote:
Sin Agog wrote:
carol27 wrote:
IanB wrote:
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On a night like this I'd happily see every Mosque in Europe bulldozed. Maybe a more measured response later.
Maybe...

Overall, though, I am with Julian in his hatred of Islam. Not a view I have come to without some soul-searching. Sorry if that offends any well-meaning but impotent liberals in these parts.

Not that I side with our glorious political leaders and their actions in the Middle East which have made their own unique and malign contribution to current events. But I was over in Paris in 1995, and Islamic terrorists were killing people there even then. Well before 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus ça change.

Jihadi John died far too painlessly. Hilariously, I have heard that Jeremy Corbyn would have preferred his arrest and trial. Words fail me on that view...

BTW, the ones to feel sorry for are the poor bastards who just went out on a Friday night to enjoy themselves and didn't make it home. And their families and friends.

So, what do you suggest we do?
Abolish Islam from the Western world completely. Islam is not a faith of peace but of Aggression. Islam teaches to lay in wait until the time is right and destroy your enemy at any cost. Islam teaches that those who submit to Allah's will and sacrifice themselves will be rewarded. Islam is a cancer. Would the western world be worse off if Islam was no longer a threat? Give them Somalia, build a wall around it, and let them destroy themselves.
Sorry I don't actually know how to begin responding to that.
I remember angry people here back in the 70s saying the exact same thing about Northern Ireland in the aftermath of some new atrocity perpetrated by one side or the other.

Made no sense then. Makes even less sense in this case given that this is a borderless conflict.

Look at where the funding comes from and start there. Though I don't remember anyone here in that era baying for the RAF to bomb Boston or Philadelphia in retaliation for US contributions to Noraid.

I would steer away from stigmatising a billion and half plus individuals who like you and I are just trying to get by. We know exactly where that train of thought ends if it gains momentum.

I was just thinking that. Round people up, put them on trains, hold them in camps....
Sounds like my clan's Annual Family Vacation to Pontins. Except I'm sure that involves more torture. And gas if Aunty Nora's coming.
So what youre is a billion people cant be wrong? um...yes they can. where are the billions (minus the handful of "radicals" now?) Why are there not a billion or so people not taking to the streets in protest? in the western world we track down our criminals in a very timely fashion and bring them to justice..why does the Boko Haram exist? why does the Taliban Exist? why does Isis exist? Why don't they take care of their shit? because they agree with it, that's why.
In the case of the Taliban, they exist in part because Brzezinski and Co. funded and trained the Mujahideen to topple Afghanistan's then-Communist government. Brzesinski admitted this in 1998:
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

In the case of Isis, they exist because America and its "coalition of the willing" overthrew the governments of Iraq, Libya, and destabilized Syria to such an extent there is no political force capable of countering Islamic fundamentalism.

The fact that the main victims of both Isis and the Taliban are fellow Muslims should alert you to the fact that the vast majority of Muslims do not agree with these groups. Had we (the West, plus Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey) not overthrown the governments of the areas where Isis chiefly operates, I'm sure the Muslims there would have "taken care of their shit" quite effectively.

S Sin Agog
Sin Agog Nov 14, 2015 22:53:17
Replying to phallus dei

Not to mention that we're still feeling the ripples of things like Britain razing Iraqi villages to the ground, killing every last person and animal, for daring to ask us for independence some decades ago. We utterly refuse to see past the present event, the latest headline, into the old events and old headlines upon whose foundation the present is built. Terrorists are clone stormtroopers who emerge out of the womb fully activated. No, the world stage is a decidedly small one where every event affects the whole cast, and we've helped set the scene with a series of disastrous decisions borne of colonialism and single-minded avarice.

The Middle-Eastern death toll at the west's hands is astronomical. And that's at the hands of fully-sanctioned governments. You don't just snuff out millions of lives through various meddlings and Carthaginian slaughterings without consequences. We're reaping our rewards now. Dylan's Masters Of War nailed it 50 years ago.