Re: I'm so confused..... | Forum — The Modern Antiquarian

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Sin Agog Nov 14, 2015 18:02:26

Replying to billding68

'O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.'

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

'To you be your religion, to me be mine.'

“…There is no compulsion in religion…”

“You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.”

'Certainly, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Sabians, and the Christians, whoever acknowledges God and the Last Day and does good, will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. '

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are declared to be protected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

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Captain Starlet Nov 14, 2015 18:17:25

Replying to billding68

billding68 wrote:

I'm sorry but I disagree I think they follow the teachings of Allah to the letter. the same cannot be said for all other religions. In modern times most religions do not support the killing of civilians,beheading,raping,suicide bombings. I'm not talking history I'm talking 2015. what other religion are you referring to that not just condones but encourages the slaughter of others by any means including suicide bombings? or the rape of children (Boko Haram) Islam is vicious at its core and should be wiped from modern times. or we can sit passively and let them kill us. As we have over and over again.

I appreciate you're going to disagree, I didn't expect you to. Well there's Christians in Africa who burn so-called witches alive, Christian in America, ok Westboro, KKK etc who condone violence and abuse and a wave of right wing groups around the world preaching hate whilst claiming to be Christian. Book Haram isn't Islamic, their leader doesn't pray and knows no scripture, both being central requirements to be a Muslim

http://www.dailysabah.com/africa/2015/09/25/boko-haram-leader-cant-read-quran-nor-perform-islamic-prayers

Problem is if you're blaming a whole religion for the actions of a very, very small minority then you're missing the fact that ISIS are the ones attacking Muslims, which makes no sense whatsoever. Think about it this way, you're not going to make friends and influence people by shooting their friends and family are you? So to say ISIS are Muslim really makes no sense. I've read the Qur'an, I've a degree in religion and nowhere does it say in there that Muslims should undertake these types of atrocities.

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IanB Nov 15, 2015 08:10:52

Replying to billding68

billding68 wrote:

Captain Starlet wrote:

You could say the same about any religion or ideology! Like all Muslims I don't link ISIS with Islam in any way whatsoever, they're certainly not following the will of God, which is the main principle of Islam. They have their own twisted ideology and apart from saying they're Muslim have no connection to it whatsoever. They've got as much chance of being Muslim as I have of being the Pope, and that's never going to happen.

I'm sorry but I disagree I think they follow the teachings of Allah to the letter. the same cannot be said for all other religions. In modern times most religions do not support the killing of civilians,beheading,raping,suicide bombings. I'm not talking history I'm talking 2015. what other religion are you referring to that not just condones but encourages the slaughter of others by any means including suicide bombings? or the rape of children (Boko Haram) Islam is vicious at its core and should be wiped from modern times. or we can sit passively and let them kill us. As we have over and over again.

You do realise that Colonel Kurtz is a tragic (almost pathetic) figure not a role model and that "Kill them all" is the creed of a paranoid narcissistic psychopath with a god complex not the title of a how-to-do-war instruction book?

I only ask because you seem to be struggling with this nuance thing.

Go back to the first post that got you going, look up the meaning of irony and then reread that post in the voice of the befuddled rock fan Dhajjie is satirising. You've been yanking your own chain.

I'm so confused​…..

I'm so confused…..