Stop Thatcher having a state funeral

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pooley P
pooley Aug 19, 2009 14:57:00
Replying to Merrick

Merrick wrote:
pooley wrote:
She aint the problem any more
Thatcher may go but Thatcherism survives.

Venerating her and what she stood for would make the world a worse place. whereas decrying her and having people be jubilant at her demise and dropping her cadaver down a disused mine shaft would lead to poeple understanding that there is a widespread hatred of her for what she did and what she stood for.

I wonder, 'ah let them have it, they're not the problem anymore' thing - as it would be euqally true of say, Pinochet or Idi Amin, would you have felt it was OK for them to be buried amongst public mourning at vast expense to the countries that they decimated?

Merrick, I find the Idi amin Pinochet thing a bit ridiculous. I know you like this kind of thinking, but I find it lazy. Argue the point, about the point and none of this nonsense.

V Vybik Jon
Vybik Jon Aug 19, 2009 15:25:39
Replying to pooley

If Merrick does respond (as I'm sure he will (he's got more patience than I have)) you won't accept it or offer any meaningful resposne. The post you responded to offered 2 comparitive situations to your endless riposte of Thatcher being old and you just say "lazy". Fantastic reasoning, pooley.

G geoffrey_prime
geoffrey_prime Aug 20, 2009 03:25:42
Replying to pooley

Your point really resonates with me. If we wanted to demonise political leaders for all the "relationships", they sought fit to manage...we'd have a very long list of the ones people might object to.
Slight follow-on..
I wouldn't wan't to start another "policy-by-policy" discussion on Thatcher's strategy...but, assuming she wasn't hopelessly insane..do the critics who are very vocal on this board consider that, her strategy was characterised by:
1) She had the country at heart and failed to sell the "masterplan"
2) She did not have the country at heart...but had an other agenda
3) Other forces were at work..or not at work
?

M Merrick
Merrick Aug 20, 2009 10:32:44
Replying to pooley

pooley wrote:
I find the Idi amin Pinochet thing a bit ridiculous.
Indeed. It's a common thing for people to extend a principle to a more extreme example in order to show why the principle is wrong. I'm presuming you're intelligent enough to be able to do such imaginative thinking. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Personally, I find picking out the second paragraph and dismissing it as 'ridiculous' is lazy. Laziness because it goes to no effort to be imaginative, to explain *why* you think that at all, and so serve no purpose other than to thumb your nose and go 'gah!'.

Argue the point, about the point and none of this nonsense.

OK, I'll do that. Oh no, hang on a minute, I'd already written that before the bit you take issue with.

Merrick wrote:
Thatcher may go but Thatcherism survives.

Venerating her and what she stood for would make the world a worse place. whereas decrying her and having people be jubilant at her demise and dropping her cadaver down a disused mine shaft would lead to people understanding that there is a widespread hatred of her for what she did and what she stood for.