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Am I fuck.
Perhaps I wasn't too clear in my anger and I apologise for this.

So I shall put it like this instead.
Mr Cope went at lengths, with nice pictures to boot ,and a fair amount of effort to write about a Van Halen bootleg with extra information and some florid words about rock and roll. It's there, that's all it is.

As I undstand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, no one is legally obliged to read it or indeed act upon it. The immediate response from Murray & Stray was scorn along the "go to hell" lines. How charming.

The scorn was derived from Cope posting about a band and genre they do not like. How dare he?! For all their moaning so far about how some of us are apparently getting at THEM for not liking Van Halen (And for the record I really X 10 couldn't give a gibbon's spunk whether you do or not), it seems to have passed them by that they threw the first stone. Cope reviewed something we dont like ;"GO TO HELL!"
What next! Is he gonna review something else I don't like?!! WHAT you mean they ACTUALLY SOLD SOME RECORDS?! CAPITALIST DOGS OF THE WEST!!

I dont care whether Cope posted it, you did, I did or The Right Revrend Jasper BumGrapes did and I dont care whether it was about some obscure Krautrock artifact or S Club 7; you both attacked and went off one one cos its the review wasnt in your remit.

I wonder if say Murray had posted an review on Unsung and had recieved a "go to Hell" for his efforts how he would have felt? Would not the matter of plain rudeness crossed his mind? Recommending something on Usung isn't a gun to the head, it's presenting an option. The door is open, you dont have to walk thru it.

Oh and you know Stray...being told to fuck off by you isn't upsetting....it's an HH rites of passage and the sound of inevitability.
Between telling everyone to usually "sort it out" cos Stray is the Way....well good for you but no thanx.

And what have I ever contributed to a debate? Yeah you're right...so tata

(applause)

>no one is legally obliged to read it or indeed act
>upon it

What, you mean I spent all that money for nothing? D'oh!

:D

Anyhoo, I hope the ta-ta at the end wasn't indicating you're leaving permanently!

being accused of being negative by mr miserable himself isn't that much of a bother either. I don't expect that being told to fuck off by me should actually bother someone, I'm glad it didnt.

Oh. And my ego isnt quite that large moonie, you've never met me and cant judge me from my posts here. elements of my music taste has been slagged off here on a few occasions and I didnt get upset by it, its how this place works after all.

I actually very rarely attack anyone, you do me a disservice there. Sure, I'll defend myself. I've only ever bitcherd in jest, unlike yo guys I'm not that insecure that I take peoples posts to a froum so dman seriously. And I will defend myself, especially when the webmaster has turned into a dickhead troll.

Look at this thread, he started the flame war here, this thread would have died naturally if he hadn't waded in. If you want to talk about someone with a holier than thou attitude check out holy. He couldn't even maintain a rational argument ffs, he changed his reasons for starting the flaming three times in his discussion with me. Eventually backing down with a witless 'well thats ok then'. He made it clear that he's embarassed by the content we provide to his glorious site, both this one and the TMA. so, fucking do it Mr holy, write a terms of service and use so we know where we actually stand and ban the people who upset you so. Oh, and employ some volunteer moderators, you've proved in this thread you're not consistent enough to be able to do that yourself.

Sure, you probably guessed, I'm leaving this forum. Whats the fucking point of dealing with bigots who wear a thin veneer of tolerance. And moonie, settled down and smile ffs, check your average posts with mine, try scoring up the negativity. And what, you could insult me without me replying ? well, yeah, that seems to be the way most of you reactionary cunts like it here. I've gone ta-ta.

With regards to Murray, I don't know about him personally, but it has happened to other HH reviewers. Seth Man received a gigantic "Go to hell" from some fellow called yousuck (which was later removed) and my review of "Meat Puppets II" attracted a lot of criticism too (mainly from fans of the band, despite the fact that it was a glowing review, which, although containing a few Lester Bangs' inspired factual liberties, is still -IMO - the best piece of music criticism I have ever written). I guess that's the price you pay for putting your stuff on any kind of pulic forum - some love it, some don't. Whilt I think the bickering on this thread has got pretty out of hand now, and some of Stray's comments did indeed - IMO- go too far with the personal vitriol, I don't see any reason why Julian should be immune from this just because this is his fan site.