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machineryelf wrote:
dodge one wrote:
THAT's 10 pieces of VINYL of 'BOOT-LEG' status that i own from the 1970's.
I guess it completely Taint's the other 6990 or so other pieces of Media i bought with legitamate status.
How that compares to a blog that uploads a brand-new release of an Artist and see's {What?} ......Thousands? of ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS that DAY.......and then goes viral to other BLOG sites.....
IS COMPLETELY BEYOND ME.
But yes.....i have NOT thought this through at all.
because you only have ten illegal lps that doesn't compare to someone who has some downloads on his computer, let's see,how many towns does the US have

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=509183

25375, now in each of those towns there is one person who likes a band[s] enough to own 10 boot lps that makes 253,750 illegal lps at say 10$ a shot, that's $2,537,500 that isn't in the band[s] pockets

yes it's just the same, I honestly can't see how it is COMPLETELY BEYOND YOU

Well yes if we all ignore the grey areas it is just going to be an exercise in two sides posturing across the great divide of practical reality.

Didn't the vinyl (and later cd) bootleg industry exist to becasue of additional fan demand? No one bought boots instead of legit recordings. You either bought just the legit albums or, if you knew where to get them, you bought both. Right?

Meanwhile along side that there was the pirate industry where knock-offs of legit products were sold in lieu of the real thing.

Setting aside the issue of whether an artist has the right to control people's access to warts-and-all material, there is a huge difference between say the torrents of live shows, studio outtakes and deleted material and the naked sharing of records that are readily commercially available. The former belongs in the realm of the old style bootlegger and the other is a digital ram-raid. If the music is available for sale there is absolutely no cultural, social, economic or political argument for sharing it in this way unless the rights owners or artist (if different) give their explicit permission.

I never bought the home taping is killing music argument but there is a difference surely between someone taking an album that they have purchased and copying it for a friend or including a track or two on a mix tape and the same person taking the same recording and sharing it with everyone on the planet who can be assed to click "save as"?

At least with Torrent sites you do get some measurable sense of responsibility among a closed community of member collectors. The wider world of illegal downloading is more like someone repeatedly driving a 4 x 4 into the window of HMV and saying "take what you like" .

IanB wrote:
I never bought the home taping is killing music argument but there is a difference surely between someone taking an album that they have purchased and copying it for a friend or including a track or two on a mix tape and the same person taking the same recording and sharing it with everyone on the planet who can be assed to click "save as"?
what is the difference? numbers, how many folk if they didn't have that cd availabe at a click would buy it, surely a big a problem as the net are
cds are so easy to copy that they pose as much as a problem, perfect copy every time in less time than ever, look at the arse the record companies made trying to combat that problem
There is so much opposing info flying around that you can fit the facts and figures to suit your viewpoint
Simple fact is the business model has got to change, if that means that Simon Cowell ends up ruling the world so be it
how does Jazz, classical, peruvian nose flute music survive, Brass Bands, choral , it's not all grant supported, so obviously there are ways and means, how did they survive in the 60s when the underground really was underground, how does a band like Isis,Red Sparowes, The Meteors [insert name of mildly successful band here] survive
and to get back where this thread started how does using a big blunt stick to beat the internet innocent help. What happens when they shut down all the sites and find surprise! All the kids are spending their pocketmoney on COD6 and going to see Twilight