How is Ian Astbury connected to JD?

The Doors did enjoy a bit of a revival when the Doors film was released, such as with Joy Division.

Personally prefer The Doors. never bothered with Joy Division.

The Doors unique instrumental approach and lack of presence in the UK seems to have given them an air of mystery/exoticness that had influence on the postpunk/neo-psych of WAH, Teardrops, Echo, Joy Division, Doll By Doll, Psych Furs, Stranglers. But past that moment the Doors influence receded.

New Order and Style Council kinda marked the same retreat from where their parent bands were headed.

{anyone ever heard the 1975 Asheton Bros related New Order?}

Always dismissed the Doors as 'musicians', whereas JD could harness a great tune from the instruments they picked up!
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Here are the young men...when I was a young man they both meant a lot to me.

Both The Doors and Joy Division stood out at their times. They were non guitar dominated bands. Singers were very important, hence lyrics too.

Joy Division took the instrument the Doors didn't have, bass, and made it prominent in their sound.

Manzarek's virtuosity anchored the band, his transposition of Coltrane's "Favorite Things" into "Light My Fire" along with Paul Butterfield's "East West" open up rock music.

"Ian Astbury provided "6 degrees of seperation connection" between two these bands."

How?

Re comments on this thread about New Order, can't see what the fuss is about. They were an average band who made some great tunes on occasion...In a lonely place, doubts even here, age of consent, your silent face, sunrise, perfect kiss, thieves like us, murder, regret...all great songs. They weren't that bad.

As for Ian Curtis - I think some of the comments here indicate people getting a bit precious about him. I'm sure he would have been the first in the queue at the Hacienda.

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wherever there's a darkened doorway you'll find 'em lurking.

they'll never not be an influence on rock and certainly are a far grander influence than Joy Division.

not knocking them or their memory i think they were great. s'just the doors were better

Looks like a score draw to me.
The consensus seems to be thus:

Both bands clearly very important & influential (particularly amongst arty angst-ridden types) with shaman-like lead vocalists who died at their peak. Both were fucking great live bands who made some breathtaking albums. Until......both bands carried on after singers demise but would never again scale such elegant peaks.

In the post-death stakes, New Order win by a clutch of great singles & a couple of very good albums. The Doors scored a host of own goals by getting Astbury in. Both were shite live.

Summing up:

Stone Roses were overrated shite.
Ian Brown solo even shiter.
Happy Mondays better than either of em.
Mark E Smith is in a different time & space. A Sun Ra of our times.
'Madchester' was overrated.
Edinburgh is nicer than Manchester.
Keith A listen to Rainbow.

I think we're done. Next up: Dusty or Kylie?

As much as i like both bands it's Joy Division who get my vote .

First off, i became familiar with The Doors through my mates older brothers and sisters record collections whereas Joy Division were a discovery of my own and as such mean far more to me.

Secondly, I prefer Curtis's dark paranoia over Morrison's angst. Despite Morrison's poetic aspirations it's Curtis's lyrics that i find the most affecting. Similarly, despite their limitations as musicians i prefer the Joy Division' sound ' ( see below too )

Hannett's unique production on the Joy Division records add a dimension that the Doors LP's lack.

Er, and i think Ray M's a bit of a knob !

IMO of course !!!

Perhaps i find it easier to relate to a depressed Englishman than to a drunken Californian ;-)