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harestonesdown May 27, 2013 01:10:24
Replying to tiompan

tiompan wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
tiompan wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
Hi George.
Had a bimble up to Hordron Edge today to check out what Bladup named "The outlier". This lays at around 220 degrees SSW from the circle at roughly 70 paces. Could it be anything significant ?

Cheers.

HSD , as the circle is 15-16 min diameter an outlier even at 70 paces (approx 70 metres ) couold be measured from extreme edges and provide a difference of 12 -18 degrees .Assuming the 220 is from the centre then the winter solstice sunset is about 227 (spur to the south east of the top of Win Hill ) so therefore potentially aligned from the circle if not the centre . If it is visible on GE and a good co -ordinate can be got all the better .Judging by the map the outlier is slightly downhill from the circle , is it below the horizon ? .
Hi George.
The 220 was roughly from the centre of the circle, and but for the heather the "outlier" would just be visible from the circle.
I've uploaded two images, one is with my lads either side of the "outlier" and the other a snapshop from GE showing the positions and a rock basin beyond on the large rock, which is the only feature on it. Dunno if it would have any significance but thought i'd mark it anyway. :)

Cheers.

Hi HSD ,I make it it closer to 203 degrees (eastern and western extremes are 197 and 210 degrees ) from the centre of the circle to the outlier ,with the horizon being close to the enclosure at the western edge of on Bamford Moor . I know this sounds quite a difference from the compass bearing but it's surprising how difficult it is to get an accurate bearing ,it's esily checked on GE which is not likely to be more than a degree out . This bearing is much closer to a lunar standstill ,206 being ideal ,which still fits in with the two extremes .
Totally accept your point on the accuracy, it was a very rough reading as after looking at the stone i wasn't at all convinced. The "outlier" is very close to the edge with lots of other stone around and if i were picking a suitable stone it wouldn't have been that one, it's longer edge also points roughly North/South so doesn't go through the circle if you will.

Anyway, given your experience, and i know it's a bit of a stab in the dark but........ would you say it holds any water as a true outlier ?

And the rock basin, letting my imagination run away it sort of lines up circle > outlier > rock basin and vice versa, so would it work the other way ? ie is there anything the opposite way of significance ? I'm thinking a sort of elevated viewing platform through the outlier and circle. i did find it a little strange the basin being in just the "right" place.

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tiompan May 27, 2013 09:43:56
Replying to harestonesdown

harestonesdown wrote:
tiompan wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
tiompan wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
Hi George.
Had a bimble up to Hordron Edge today to check out what Bladup named "The outlier". This lays at around 220 degrees SSW from the circle at roughly 70 paces. Could it be anything significant ?

Cheers.

HSD , as the circle is 15-16 min diameter an outlier even at 70 paces (approx 70 metres ) couold be measured from extreme edges and provide a difference of 12 -18 degrees .Assuming the 220 is from the centre then the winter solstice sunset is about 227 (spur to the south east of the top of Win Hill ) so therefore potentially aligned from the circle if not the centre . If it is visible on GE and a good co -ordinate can be got all the better .Judging by the map the outlier is slightly downhill from the circle , is it below the horizon ? .
Hi George.
The 220 was roughly from the centre of the circle, and but for the heather the "outlier" would just be visible from the circle.
I've uploaded two images, one is with my lads either side of the "outlier" and the other a snapshop from GE showing the positions and a rock basin beyond on the large rock, which is the only feature on it. Dunno if it would have any significance but thought i'd mark it anyway. :)

Cheers.

Hi HSD ,I make it it closer to 203 degrees (eastern and western extremes are 197 and 210 degrees ) from the centre of the circle to the outlier ,with the horizon being close to the enclosure at the western edge of on Bamford Moor . I know this sounds quite a difference from the compass bearing but it's surprising how difficult it is to get an accurate bearing ,it's esily checked on GE which is not likely to be more than a degree out . This bearing is much closer to a lunar standstill ,206 being ideal ,which still fits in with the two extremes .
Totally accept your point on the accuracy, it was a very rough reading as after looking at the stone i wasn't at all convinced. The "outlier" is very close to the edge with lots of other stone around and if i were picking a suitable stone it wouldn't have been that one, it's longer edge also points roughly North/South so doesn't go through the circle if you will.

Anyway, given your experience, and i know it's a bit of a stab in the dark but........ would you say it holds any water as a true outlier ?

And the rock basin, letting my imagination run away it sort of lines up circle > outlier > rock basin and vice versa, so would it work the other way ? ie is there anything the opposite way of significance ? I'm thinking a sort of elevated viewing platform through the outlier and circle. i did find it a little strange the basin being in just the "right" place.

If the stone has been set and has no “competition “ then it might have more credence but the main problem for me associating it with the stone circle in an “alignment “ is that it is not obvious and doesn't occupy the horizon unlike others where the eye is drawn to them even when there is no astro alignment .Having said that White Moor Down has a similar lower lying possible outlier , although much bigger , with it's long face not aligned to the circle .
From the other direction including the rock with the basin is oriented too far north for the sun or moon to rise or set .