OK, make me feel lazy! I wish we'd stopped, but when we passed on Saturday the road was really skiddy and I was getting very stressed out... maybe what I needed was a relax at AL. BTW Doll Tor - is it in the woods to the left or the right of the Andle stone? I'm in Derbys again this w/e and haven't got TMA with me, hence no idea where I'm going... you'd think having lived round here much of my life, I'd know, but hey! being organised is over-rated.