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Thanks for the links.

I must be missing something. I don't get the parallel between these patterns and the characters that Jo-anne is referring to in her diagram. The patterns in the photos look like... patterns I guess. Jo-anne's look like a form of writing.

Jo-anne - Have you linearised the patterns in some way?

K x

Hi Kammer , quite difficult to find decent Grooved ware pics on the web but these are quite close despite being on chalk and not pottery .
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/337

Thanks Baza.

"The patterns in the photos look like... patterns I guess. Jo-anne's look like a form of writing.

Jo-anne - Have you linearised the patterns in some way?"

Hi Kammer,
Intriguing isn't it :-)

The motives are from a book that got shown to me when I was in the UK, I have photocopies here of a few pages. I thought the tittle was on top of the page, but it could be the chapter, I'll ask for the writer and tittle and will post it when I know.
"The speaking stones - People, policy, and philosophy - page 252, 253"

Quote:
"The design on the three-spiked object from Skara Brae (figure 76A). It's purpose is unknown, but the design is very clear, consisting of two areas of cross-hatching with an area of triangles and lozenges inbetween. It can be deciphered as 'cross-arding, fields, fields, streaming rain, cross-arding"
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I haven't seen any photo's of these, but assume with the discription given it is a linear motive, and a scaled copy of an original sized transfer (writer is a archaeologist I think)?

There are some interesting thoughts about writing on the pages, I don't know if his translation of the motives are correct, but he is discibing a wider, broader dimension, ... rain, fields etc.

It's jolly frustrating stuff, to 'reason' the stones, one has to do it with the help of the grid, can't view without.
The motive seems to be 'doing' the same as the stones on the grid, it becomes so much more 'to reason'.
And what it could represent? I have no idea, ... symmetrical/asymmetrical patterns, numbers, geometrics, dimensions, perfection, seem to be the main ingredience?

Interesting. I seem to be missing something also. The photos on the various links seem to be just patterns. The illustration from Jo-anne seems to be writing with a superficial resemblance to runes - but they are not runes. Being a suspicious kind of bloke, I would like to see the original.

However - Rudgley in "Lost Civilisations of the Stone Age" does give a photograph of 10,000 year old engraved bones from the Remouchamps cave in Belgium. These show a similar series of engraved lines and we should not discount the possibilty of very early counting systems or tallying. Even if we do not want to accept it as a calender or evidence of writing.

He shows another bone engraved with a series of 5 dots just like the pattern of 5 on a modern dice. Intriguing