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<i>> "Shouldn't holy wells have their own website dedicated to them? It would be a vast resource."</i>

I'd love to! But I just can't find the time… Keep meaning to get the one I started ages ago redesigned and up and running… watch this space!

> "How many thousands of springs are there in Britain? Should they all be on this site because some think that they all 'may' have been of more significance than merely water sources to prehistoric people?"

Hmm... I've wondered this enough times myself, I really have. Maybe I have a blinkered view, cos I WANT them all to be special!

We all seem quite happy to believe that prehistoric people worshipped the sun/moon/wind/thunder/[insert natural phenomena here] as it affected their lives in one way or another, so I don't think it's too much of a leap to add "fresh water coming from the ground" to that list! It's pretty blummen important as far as not dying goes, and it has all manner of other practical uses (doing the prehistoric dishes, etc)...

I just feel that, although some of these wells have been heinously disfigured by our christian cousins, is it possible that the spring was there and in use anyway, and they just did what they always did and stole the idea off the pagans? Don't/didn't the early religions worship natural elements? I'm running blind here, cos as much as I'm interested in the subject, I'm pretty ignorant! I just feel that pure water coming from a hole in the ground would fall into the category quite well (haha) though...

A lot of wells are in churchyards, or near churches, and it makes me think they had been used prior to the church being there. I theorise that the well is the reason for the church being built. I don't know how realistic that is, but my theory is that the area has been sacred for several thousand years, because of the source of the clean, healthy, healing water, and when the christians came along, they used the well in much the same way! Is the origin of the baptism pre-christian? Cos without anything to back it up to hand, I'm sure it is! Would that be related in any way to fresh water?

<a href="http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/3419">St Cuthbert's well (or Cubert Well)</a> is a good example, in my opinion. Although on a golf course rather than a church yard ;o) – this one is all very modern, restored in the 1920's from memory, but have a look at the well head itself - http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/11782 - not a brilliant pic, mind, but the spring or well-head seems to me to be completely different to well house. Looks like the rock that the water pours over has been there far longer than the building. Which I suppose it has. But how much longer? I suppose we can only theorise. Like we do with everything here. We don't know for sure, so we theorise. And what's wrong with that?

I'm always worried my holy/sacred wells will be taken off this site. I have absolutely no doubt that some of them are out of place due to the christianization, but as mentioned above – how old is the spring? And why, as Baza asked, "holy"? I doubt the christians would have thought of it on their own to be honest!

Now. What did I say ages ago about drinking and posting? Sorry for going on! ;o)

G x

Funnily enough, I've been to 2 "holy" wells today - both in Oxfordshire.

<b>Fair Rosamund's Well</b> (<b>SP436164</b>) was quite uninspiring (Probably cos it was behind a locked wrought iron fence in the grounds of Blenheim Palace's - I hate that!) – I'm sure with a little TLC, it would be quite lovely… A large stone wall with the water gushing out near the bottom, through a metal mesh into a large rectangular pool. Would be such a lovely place to sit peacefully on a lovely sunny day like today…

The other - quite a lovely one - by the tiny church in Binsey, and dedicated to St Margaret (<b>SP486081</b>). Within the churchyard itself, it sits recessed into the ground, with stone steps leading down to it… The water is held in a perfectly circular, relatively modern, basin. Looks like it may have had a lid or door over it originally… A latin inscription dated 1874 above it states the English name for it – simply "<b>St Margaret's Well</b>". The legend is that Saint Frideswide, born in 680 to a christian nobleman, was pursued by the Mercian prince Algar, who wanted to marry her. She legged it off to Binsey where she worked as a swineherd for 3 years. Prince Algar, somewhere along the line, was blinded by lightning! Frideswide prayed to St Margaret of Antioch and caused the well to appear. She then cured the prince's blindness using the water. Powerful stuff, eh? ;o)

This story sounds familiar to me, although not using the same names… sounds like a christian modernization of an older story, maybe?

G x

"Sorry for going on!"

Nar you're not! Nor should you be. It's great to get your enthusiasm spoinging out of the screen.
I dunno what St. Cuddy was doing having a well in the sarf. He's a scots borders laddo. His body was taken on a on a very long walkies though, which is part of the reason he has a sacred well up near Bellingham in Northumberland.

There must be shedloads of wells that *could* be prehistoric sacred places. But how to determine provenance? Associated artifacts maybe? But then they'd have to be more than simply evidence of occupation, like flints etc. Such evidence wouldn't mean the well would have been held as having specialness. Unless you believe that prehistoric peoples held scared the places where they thought their ancestors had trodden.

There's a spot of RA I visited recently that is induibitably associated with a well/spring, but does that make the well sacred? It could be argued that the presence of what are assumed to be spiritually significant carvings imbues the spring with specialness. Depends on your interpretation of the rock art I guess. (Either way, the spring is now concreted over, and the carvings all but forgotten, which underlines the point that such weels should be documented as much as poss, if it's on tma or on the nascent goffnet).

It would seem a tricky business, this designation of sacredness. Same with sacred hills. I guess if you had access to prehistoric british equivalents of aboriginal australian songlines, you could argue that anywhere that was inhabited by people who remembered those songlines could be said to have been sacred. (Behold! The sacred twig of Waaaaalzend!)

Or maybe it's the recorded folklore?

I didn't realize that becoming someones Hero would bring forth such discussion!

As i said, I wasn't sure about putting the well on the TMA but.....

It is easy to take water for granted...you turn on a tap and there it is...fresh, clean and drinkable. We wash with it, we cook with it and we use it for power (occasionally) I spent Friday afternoon walking around Cardinham parish on the edge of Bodmin Moor, during the walk I came across a dried up ditch...I found out later it was the remains of a leat that took fresh water from a spring on the moor down to the village. It must have taken ages to dig this ditch through a countryside full of granite boulders...but they did it cos they had to.

If man finds fresh water then it is pretty special and I am sure the ancients thought of it as a gift from the gods. No, we have no way of proveing this...but then again we have no way of proving that a standing stone was put up to worship or just to make sure you didn't get lost on the way home from the chieftans orgy!

Good discussion

Mr H