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>How am I wrong?

You stated:

>Think you'll find Mr H that they (long barrows) do actually go a fair ways back but
>that they haven't all been excavated that far.

If Coldswold-Severn type (which is the group that Mr Hamhead quoted samples of) long barrows do actually go a long way back, then you will be able to give us at least one example.

When long barrows are excavated by archaeologists, then all of the barrow is examined. Yes, not all long barrows have been excavated, but a fair sample have been and none of them go a fair way back. Perhaps there is one, unexcavated long barrow out there which goes a fair ways back, but to say that there is would be pure speculation not based on any evidence.

How long do longbarrows go back... intrigued by this thought went and found Ashbees "Earthen longbarrows" and heres what he says for Wayland Smithy.. This was excavated by Atkinson and he goes back to its primary start as an earthen longbarrow.
"as finally revealed, the evidence leaves no doubt that the burials were deposited within a wooden chamber resembling a low ridge tent, with a massive post at either end, between which a ridgepole was supported by mortised joints. The combined sides and roof were presumably formed of close-set timbers resting at their inner and upper ends on the ridge pole".....
Timber mortuary houses, or at least evidence of them are sometimes found in earthen longbarrows, timber did precede stone in all the monuments down here in the south west, and stone is only a later permanent remodelling idea of the symbolic use of these sites, be they, places to bury people OR shrines in their own right. One of the ideas for longbarrows has always been that they represented the house, but another equally so, is that they were symbolic of the earth. Neolithic people in their farming would quickly lose the fertility of the soil over a relatively short period of time, by representing the earth in a long barrow, or maybe even in Silbury hill, they were calling on their gods to fertilise the soil. Some of these earthen "longbarrows" extend to 150 ft, and must have had another reason for being built.....

Yes, you're probably right Baz' and I concede the point (the point being that it's speculation to say that long barrows go a fair ways back).

It's worth pointing out though that long barrows certainly do go a fair ways back even if the stone chambers do not, and there may have been flimsier chambers in the earlier stages of a long barrow that have since long disappeared. I think it's also worth pointing out that 'excavating' and 'examining' (first line of your last paragraph) are not the same thing and that until all unexcavated longbarrows have been excavated we can't be entirely sure what's going on.