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Evergreen Dazed wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
Evergreen Dazed wrote:
We should continue down the 'right' path with open discussion, and "all views matter".
"I feel sure there must be plenty of archaeos who love the 'weird' side of this subject."

Maybe. But Mr Cope recognises there is sometimes great merit in silence - for when asked "What is the strangest experience you've had whilst out walking on the Ridgeway? "

he replied....

"If I answered this question honestly, I'd be ridiculed in the tabloids and gain an even higher profile in Private Eye's Pseuds Corner than I already have. "

and his reward is that he HAS been taken seriously and he was able to write....

"The Modern Antiquarian had a marvellous response from archaeologists, and I was asked to speak at Southhampton, Manchester, Aberdeen and Glasgow universities. Mark Gillings, who recently discovered the Beckhampton Avenue, asked me to sign his copy and said that they even teach my 'Silbury Game' at Leicester. Timothy Darvill, the editor of Antiquity and The Archaeologist, asked me to write for both magazines, and I'm now in constant contact with Aubrey Burl, who recently suggested that I write a book on Callanish. Ronald Hutton of Bristol University is the foremost scholar of pre-Christian Britain, and he called The Modern Antiquarian, "the best popular guide to Neolithic and Bronze Age sites for half a century."

So that's it. He deliberately kept away from stuff that might capsize his project and gained academic respect. Whereas his TMA website....

I see the point, but the problem I have with this is the suggestion that we 'don't talk' about our real experiences (Cope is saying he honestly had a genuine experience on the ridgeway) but we cover it up because of the fear we will not be taken seriously, or be able to publish a book.

I can see it may be a case of 'needs must when the devil drives' in order for Cope to get his book out there, but to really change public perception about these matters we need 'brave' authors and publishers and people from the establishment (archaeologists, I suppose) to be 'bold' themselves and come onto places like this forum and engage in the discussion as it is in the real world, not avoid it because of their own fear of being 'labelled'.

I'm certainly not slagging Cope, and I can see his book contributing perhaps to a change by increment rather than a big revolution, but sweeping genuine experience under the rug and presenting a more 'acceptable' face of the alternative is just a little disappointing to my mind.

Having said that, elements of the essays in TMA are pretty out there and the comments above by people like Burl suggest exactly what I said earlier, that a lot of archaeologists became archaeologists because of their interest in the mysterious nature of the subject.

"I'm certainly not slagging Cope, and I can see his book contributing perhaps to a change by increment rather than a big revolution, but sweeping genuine experience under the rug and presenting a more 'acceptable' face of the alternative is just a little disappointing to my mind" - well said Evergreen, i agree with all my heart, he should be one of the people telling the tales he keeps to himself, but doesn't just for the acknowledgement of so called experts that no doubt know less than he does, he should have more faith in himself and think about how he will look when he's gone, not now, he seems to have forgotten this a little bit [like nigel says it's probably a product of age].

"he should have more faith in himself and think about how he will look when he's gone, not now, he seems to have forgotten this a little bit "

I dont see why he should be criticised for leaving a personal experience on the Ridgeway out of his book. It wasn't a book about that and he's entitled to pick and choose what he likes to write about. He doesn't owe a duty to mention any such experiences to anyone, he's his own man and I think he'll look OK when he's gone.

Incidentally, he thinks ley lines are a delusion. Is that something else he has let the side or himself down over? No, it's what he happens to think - but that too wasnt central to the purpose of his book.