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Stonehenge

Stone Shifting

Gordon, this thread has opened up a whole can of mental snakes in my head, and I'm having to keep a lid on it for the sake of my marriage ;-)

What I mean is, I've been thinking about the wider implications and reasons from moving these stones all that way. In order to do this, I can only imagine that the incentive was very very strong, it is no mean task! And considering the distance involved, I can't help thinking, either:

a. it was a communal effort supported by (tribes?) people in differing locales (i.e Wales/Wiltshire areas)

or

b. There was such a small population that itinerant megalithic culture needed only one group to orchestrate and implement the moving and erection.

Also what inspired the work? Were these people self-governing, a collective? Were they ruled by feudal means (I think this unlikely as the land was big and wild) Or were they serving a cause under the jurisdiction of (Druidic?) religious/spiritual goals?

The whole concept (nothing new here by way of enquiry I admit) forces me to think very carefully about many things from that age, i.e: Population, land use, land governance, time use, generational continuity (cultural), labour ethics/needs, social cohesion and/or organisation/s. On and on!

What a great thread, it's like someone just turned the last page on an old and worn book of conjecture, and began a new one with the word "Or..."

:-)

That’s exactly the thing that excites me about the concept. If it’s right it changes so many concepts and orthodoxies. If Gordon’s confidence e.g. “a few ton either way is immaterial” (wow!) is proved right then it could mean that there was much less effort involved in making stone monuments than has been thought – far less people, effort, time. Even distance effectively shrinks. It could mean that a family group might have made things that had been presumed to be wider community efforts. Like you say, wouldn’t that imply there would need to be a re-think of the nature of social organization? And ritual? And everything?

On a specific note, Gordon’s use of the term raft, and his opinion the bluestones might need one, prompts yet another speculation. IF it was right that the bluestones came up the river it would be the devil’s own job to get them onto the bank and drag them away. How can you drag a heavy object off a floating raft without the whole thing immediately tipping? But equally, you couldn’t lever it off – how could you use a floating fulcrum? So it seems they must have beached the raft very solidly first, perhaps using a quay. But then, why take a stone off a river raft and put it onto a land raft to take it up the hill? You might, if the river raft was huge, but that river isn’t all that big, so it may not have been. So maybe they transported the whole lot, just as it came, raft and all?

This cake that my daughter brought back from Morocco tastes really weird.