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Saw this on BBC news website yesterday:

Carving found in Gower cave could be oldest rock art. The location of the wall carving is being kept secret for the time being.

The faint scratchings of a speared reindeer are believed to have been carved by a hunter-gatherer in the Ice Age more than 14,000 years ago.

The archaeologist who found the carving on the Gower peninsula, Dr George Nash, called it "very, very exciting."

Experts are working to verify the discovery, although its exact location is being kept secret for now.

Dr Nash, a part-time academic for Bristol University, made the discovery while at the caves in September 2010.

He told BBC Wales: "It was a strange moment of being in the right place at the right time with the right kit.

"For 20-odd years I have been taking students to this cave and talking about what was going on there.

"They went back to their cars and the bus and I decided to have a little snoop around in the cave as I've never had the chance to do it before.

"Within a couple of minutes I was scrubbing at the back of a very strange and awkward recess and there a very faint image bounced in front of me - I couldn't believe my eyes."

He said that although the characteristics of the reindeer drawing match many found in northern Europe around 4,000-5,000 years later, the discovery of flint tools in the cave in the 1950s could hold the key to the carving's true date.

This drawing was done with the right hand and the niche is very, very tight”

"In the 1950s, Cambridge University undertook an excavation there and found 300-400 pieces of flint and dated it to between 12,000-14,000 BC.

"This drawing was done with the right hand and the niche is very, very tight and the engraving has been done by somebody using a piece of flint who has drawn a classic reindeer design.

"My colleagues in England have been doing some work in Nottinghamshire at Creswell Crags and got very nice dates for a red deer and one or two other images of around 12,000-14,000 BC.

"I think this [newly found carving] may be roughly the same period or may be even earlier."

Glacial geology

The limestone cliffs along the Gower coast are known for their archaeological importance.

The Red Lady of Paviland, actually the remains of a young male, is the earliest formal human burial to have been found in western Europe. It is thought to be roughly around 29,000 years old.

It was discovered at Goat's Hole Cave at Paviland on Gower in 1823 by William Buckland, then a geology professor at Oxford University.

Dr Nash added: "We know from the glacial geology of the area this was an open area just before the ice limit came down from the glaciers 15,000-20,000 years ago and it stops just about 2km short of the cave site.

"We know hunter fisher gatherers were roaming around this landscape, albeit seasonally, and they were burying their dead 30,000 years ago and making their mark through artistic endeavour between 30,000 and 40,000 years ago."

The find is now being officially dated and verified by experts at the National Museum of Wales and Cadw.

Its location will be revealed to the public in the future.


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My 10p bet is on Cat Hole Cave - we will see!

Phwoar....

Nice one. Thanks for flagging that up.

Some more information down below, Carl, my first guess was the Paviland cave, then realised it was a 'secret' location.. Went to a lecture in Bath by George Nash a few years ago, that time it was some marks in a Mendip cave he had found and its nice to see that it is the Clifton Antiquarian Society from Bristol he took to Wales.


"A research team from The Open University extracted three samples: one from the surface on which the engraving is placed and two from younger speleothem deposits which partly cover the engraving, for uranium series disequilibrium dating. Uranium series disequilibrium dating is a radiometric technique which measures the fractionation of uranium from thorium at a point in time. One sample, close to the nose of the carving gives a preliminary age of 12,572 ± 660 years which is corrected for a detrital contribution. This age needs to be confirmed by analysing further samples. The date around 12,500 years ago is remarkably similar to the date, also by the Open University team, of the other discovery of cave art within the British Isles, at Church Hole Cave, Creswell Crags."

More info here...

http://www.discoverbritainmag.com/Editorial.aspx?brand=HeritageOnline&category=Latest+News&story=SPED28+Jul+2011+15%3A52%3A10%3A710&page=6017

Dear pondering team, you are about 110 km too far east; the cave is on the Gower in South Wales and the discovery was made in September 2010.....by me. I was also involved in the verification process of Graham and Linda's discovery in 2005. The engraving is unique and I have posted photographs and a tracing of it on the Welsh Rock art Organisation's Facebook page. Have a good one, George

finding something like that would be the beginning, middle and end wouldn't it? seeing a scratched drawing of an animal in its death throes drawn by the man that did it, drawn by the man that was so proud of his achievement that he wanted to always remember that moment is fantastic.

this might seem like a dumb question but are there any landscape drawings that have been discovered? is there any evidence that man stood in his surroundings in awe at the beauty of it all?

if this question is below you guys normal wavelength then please forgive the intrusion.

More information on Past Horizons, but it takes ages to load up on the computer...


http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/08/2011/discovery-is-hailed-as-the-first-clear-evidence-of-pleistocene-rock-art-in-wales