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Hello Chaps,

Interesting to hear what you have to say, and thank you for the input! A few points to add to the debate:

I have already emailed the County Archaeologist, and am waiting to hear; I would hope to have a reply next week.

St. Birinus, eh? Here's some info for those interested:

http://www.britannia.com/bios/birinus.html

Well, if it's OK with people to go round erecting sodding great symbols of their religion on other people's sacred and historical sites, I guess this means that the Pagans on this forum who wish to do so can go and conduct *their* services in churchyards across the land without any comeback from the C of E or whoever. Pity we've just missed the opportunity with Beltane, but perhaps a bunch of us should descend on Dorchester Abbey to celebrate Coamhain in the usual fashion with Midsummer Fires - splendid! Mark you, it'll leave things a tad scorched for the Pilgrimage Service on 6 July . . .

It's the size of that bloody cross that I find so damned offensive, apart from anything else.

But if anyone can throw more light on that star, I'd be fascinated to know . . .

t'chops x

I quite often go riding up there, over the Blewbury Downs and onto the Ridgeway for a bit of a gallop, and in the 5 or 6 years that I have been going up and down the track, the massive wooden cross has been there. It is quite deeply offensive, but in the early days of getting lost on the tracks up there, it acted as a useful reference point.

There are a whole pile of smaller round barrows just up on the other side of the chalk pits that overlook Churn Knob, too. Next time I take a horse up there I'll try to get some photos of them, and I'll also check out the point at which the cross is erected on the Knob itself and report back. Looking forward to the County Arch's reply, T'chops....
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I'm not a pagan and give no particular religious significance to the ancient sites that I love to visit. I have no religious beliefs of any kind. I visit them precisely because they are often in lovely settings and because they fill me with wonder and interest at the way people used to live, and love, and die, many many years ago.

Surely it's simple common sense that you do not allow anyone, of any religion to erect gaudy and confrontational symbols on something that represents the history of our country.

I believe in Non Violent Direct Action - chop the cross down and cut the star of David down. I expect lots of namby pamby replies telling me I’m wrong. If saint so and so did preach there then hoo-flippin-hoorah, but that doesn't give anyone the MORAL right to place a huge (it is Huge!) cross so close and a star of David on the top. If their religion is so weak that they need to rely on such symbolism and icons to focus on, then at least have the decency to erect them at a suitable distance. And dare I suggest (without researching it at all!) that the reason saint so and so preached there was precisely because either (a) it was another example of christians trying to take over pre-christian sites, and /or (b) it was another example of christians taking pagan ideas / places into their religion to make it easier to christianise people who actually felt more comfortable sticking with their original traditions.

Chysauster (Cornwall) was used by the Methodists to preach and I give thanks to them for accidentally helping to bring this amazing Iron Age / Romano-British village to our attention, but English Heritage haven’t now erected a flippin great cross there for posterity (they have filled in the fogou, and erected a crappy garden shed there, but that’s pure idiot thinking rather than religious idiot thinking)

I might be a bit too late for Beltane but as a Wiccan Priestess in the area, I am more than happy to rustle up some troops and go to the mound for Lammas.

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