Silbury Hill 180
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"i just feel that everybody who wants to go up, goes up anyway"

well you're wrong there Bladup. Because when I was a kid we stopped at Silbury and my dad and I would have probably climbed up it, but the notices were there even then and they stopped us, because we read them and went along with what they were saying. I only had the dimmest awareness of prehistoric things then (everything starting with the romans) - like most of the people that stop there, no doubt.

And there are many times since when I've thought 'ooh wouldn't it be nice to see what the landscape looks like from the top' but the overwhelming thing that stops me is that when I think about it, on balance, I've been asked by the people who look after the site and therefore (one hopes) have its best interests at heart - not to do so. It's not exactly 'sticking it to the man' but in this case the man is someone who loves prehistoric sites and wants to look after them.

I don't accept at all that if people want to climb it, they will. Because I don't and I'm sure many other people here come into the same category. I rather think that people who do, when they know they've been asked not to, to protect it, are putting their own gratification in front of the right of everyone else to enjoy it without it being spoilt. You might say, well Those Sort of people are going to climb it whatever you say. But some of them might think again if you educate them and make it clear why you're asking them not to walk up the hill.

To suggest because some people do, we might as well make it official and let everyone is absurd. Do you know how many visitors that place gets! Can you imagine the state of the hill if you let all those people walk up it? It's chalk grassland on the hill (SSSI as people have said) and as soon as you wear away the top layer of plants, you will start carving a massive hole into the earth, as you'll see if you look at sheep tracks on that kind of land. It would have huge wandering scars up it in no time, and every time it rained they'd get bigger. The alternative would be some kind of winding stairway. RIP Silbury.

I think Silbury's a special case and I just don't understand the mindset of someone who'll climb it, I think it's totally arrogant and smacks of doing something deliberately because they've been told not to. What is Silbury to them, why do they want to climb it? They can't simultaneously have all this neo-pagan respect for it and then add to damaging the very thing they profess to respect. It's bullshit I'm afraid.

Some people used to chip bits off stonehenge and you can call it hyperbole but I reckon it's not so different. We've stopped them doing that, even though there's lots of stone to go round and the damage wouldn't be that noticeable.

Rhiannon wrote:
"i just feel that everybody who wants to go up, goes up anyway"

well you're wrong there Bladup. Because when I was a kid we stopped at Silbury and my dad and I would have probably climbed up it, but the notices were there even then and they stopped us, because we read them and went along with what they were saying. I only had the dimmest awareness of prehistoric things then (everything starting with the romans) - like most of the people that stop there, no doubt.

And there are many times since when I've thought 'ooh wouldn't it be nice to see what the landscape looks like from the top' but the overwhelming thing that stops me is that when I think about it, on balance, I've been asked by the people who look after the site and therefore (one hopes) have its best interests at heart - not to do so. It's not exactly 'sticking it to the man' but in this case the man is someone who loves prehistoric sites and wants to look after them.

I don't accept at all that if people want to climb it, they will. Because I don't and I'm sure many other people here come into the same category. I rather think that people who do, when they know they've been asked not to, to protect it, are putting their own gratification in front of the right of everyone else to enjoy it without it being spoilt. You might say, well Those Sort of people are going to climb it whatever you say. But some of them might think again if you educate them and make it clear why you're asking them not to walk up the hill.

To suggest because some people do, we might as well make it official and let everyone is absurd. Do you know how many visitors that place gets! Can you imagine the state of the hill if you let all those people walk up it? It's chalk grassland on the hill (SSSI as people have said) and as soon as you wear away the top layer of plants, you will start carving a massive hole into the earth, as you'll see if you look at sheep tracks on that kind of land. It would have huge wandering scars up it in no time, and every time it rained they'd get bigger. The alternative would be some kind of winding stairway. RIP Silbury.

I think Silbury's a special case and I just don't understand the mindset of someone who'll climb it, I think it's totally arrogant and smacks of doing something deliberately because they've been told not to. What is Silbury to them, why do they want to climb it? They can't simultaneously have all this neo-pagan respect for it and then add to damaging the very thing they profess to respect. It's bullshit I'm afraid.

Some people used to chip bits off stonehenge and you can call it hyperbole but I reckon it's not so different. We've stopped them doing that, even though there's lots of stone to go round and the damage wouldn't be that noticeable.

Thank you.

Gosh.
I think TSC and Rhiannon have combined to put up an unassailable case. If EH could take their various points and put them on notices in ten different languages the job would be 90% done. (AND my idea of prehistory being something to be respected would be demonstrated to every visitor).

I'd add a couple of points -

The main path at the front has been there for hundreds of years and some say therefore people should use it as it wont erode much. Trouble is Rhiannon's right I think, allowing people up would mean hundreds a day, Im sure so it would surely mean damage?

Do you remember the sheep a few years ago? I remember watching them taking short cuts and creating new paths in a hot dusty summer. They caused a lot of damage in no time at all.

If EH (and VBB) say there's delicate archaeology just under the surface then going up is saying either its not true. Youd need to prove it or admit that actually you don't care, which is a bit much.

I've never been up but Id be happy with a system like Stonehenge where you can have a conducted official visit by appointment, keeping to one route, if EH ran it. (And YES, Id have to pay, so ruddy what) so long as it looked like it was official and therefore casual visitors couldnt run up in their hundreds.

BTW, if you partied on top at the wrong time 12 years ago you'd have a let-down. The fill keeps settling, Id hate to be up there and cause a sudden slump!

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Brilliant! That deserves its own thread - Climbing Silbury - feelings vs facts - lest it gets buried and forgotten amongst this one on the wider (and equally important) issue of trespass at SSSI sites.

Silbury is a special case.

Rhiannon,

As I've stated earlier, im no advocate of climbing the hill, but I'd like to ask you a question.
If you were at Skara Brae alone and after hours and an opportunity presented itself for you to enter the houses for a few minutes, without being 'caught', would you do it?

I'd just like the position to be clarified, because there's some possible misinterpretation here. Merely setting foot on Silbury damages it in a way that setting foot inside a house at Skara Brae wouldn't damage that structure, granted, but would you, if you knew you could 100% 'get away with it', so to speak, enter one of those houses?

Not sure where to aim this but in all this debating something seems to have been forgotten and that is IT is a SSSI, which means according to me anyway, that it is a defined landscape in need of protection of people's heavy boots on the delicate wild plants. Man versus the landscape, I always choose the flora and fauna to protect, though it could be argued that the surface of Silbury was originally chalk, but according to a recent survey by English Nature Silbury is defined as 'UNFAVOURABLE RECOVERING."

http://www.english-nature.org.uk/citation/citation_photo/1002057.pdf

Which surely begs the behaviour of us, the human species, to keep off the grass and allow nature to take its course, even if it does mean sheep grazing, I think the bunnies will have to be shot for their burrow making capacity though, reproduction elsewhere will account for numbers lost....

I suspect site boards will have to be part of the picture, but making people responsible for the natural environment is also important and maybe help the general consensus of keeping off the mound......