Good points fitzcoralodo - all except the last one. FourWinds knows that I love him really, and when he's into long trousers we might even have a grownup discussion.

Etiquette, by the way, is the noise you don't make whilst eating soup, not the noise FW makes trying to impress everyone ;-).

(Sorry if this is before the watershed Nigel - like you it's been a long day and I'm off to bed early tonight).