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cerrig wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
cerrig wrote:
That's excellent, I remember you posting something about Maen Mawr's potential alignments a while back, well done for such a good capture. There's so much about these sites that has been lost, isn't there?
I think there are probably many more examples like this, but hardly anyone is looking for it now, and while some set ups may be accidental, others certainly aren't. At least some amongst these people were shadow experts. Maen Llia , in particular, is a very clever creation, almost an exhibition piece. A kind of portfolio of megalithic science, all built into one stone and it's setting.
We are not as clever as we sometimes like to think we are.
I've not considered it before Cerrig but I'm sure somewhere along the way on this forum it's been discussed, but what about stone circles with a central standing stone, could they be a type of giant sundial using the central stone to cast a shadow in the direction of the stones to the E/N/W? Just a thought but not sure about the stones to the southern section although they would cast their own shadows toward the central stone at different times of the day as well wouldn't they then give you a direct line between them, the central stone and its opposite number in the northern section.
I won't get my coat just yet :-)

What I have found,( only by spending more time than is healthy in the company of a stone or two), is that the shadow cast by a central pillar would be a poor fit for a circle. As you say most of the stones would be missed. At midsummer the shadow would follow a kind of parabola shape, like an upturned wine glass, with the midday shadow being almost nothing ( a 6 foot pillar would cast a one foot shadow, in the UK )
At the Equinox's it would almost be a straight line from West to East.
At mid winter it would be the opposite to midsummer.
This is why sundials are not generally pillars. They are normally now a thin slab type structure ( except for some clever fanciful designs) with one edge at least angled to match the tilt of the Earths axis. Rather than the tip of the shadow telling the time, it's where the line cast by the angled slope crosses the hour marks. Even then most modern sundial hour lines won't be laid out truly circular, but more of a parabola shape again.
To get the angle of the slope right it has to match the latitude of the site. Which means it has to point at what is now Polaris, the pole star, or the area in the sky known as the North Celestial Pole.
In the case of Maen Llia this is a slope, pointing true North, of just under 52 deg's. The latitude of Maen Llia is also just under 52 deg's, and the mid summer sunrise 5000 years ago, when viewed from Maen Llia, was also just under 52 deg's. Genius, and just some of the reason why Maen Llia is such a special stone, and probably a better example than Gardom's edge.
This is explained much better on the British sundial society website.