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how sure are we that it *isn't* a farce? OK. the stones are groovy and all, but are they really more important than someone's home ... come to that, *your* home? What if someone suddenly appeared, had some funny ideas about the history of your street, and wanted to kick you out.

OK, nice new house somewhere else, but you like living where you where. You like it that your mate lives across the road. You like it that you can work, play or go to the pub with your mates without some long journey ...

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I know how pissed off I woukd be if someone decided I was living in a heritage zone, and that my style of living just wasn't appropriate to the percieved nature of the site, and I had to go ... and they could do it solely because they had the financial backing

don't forget the mass felling of the trees ... hundreds of years of actual tree history vs thousands of years of percieved history. I've protested against trees being cut down, I know Merrick has, I'm sure plenty others here to. Don't these trees matter because there's a henge there too?

What made me think the most is the possibilities for the Devil's Quiots just outside Oxford,
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/browse.php?site_id=577
- scene of the infamous GibbonTours expedition - only a few broken stones and a big henge at the mo', but with big reconstruction plans -

maybe in 50 years (cos that's all it takes for a population to forget), that site will take it's place in virtual heritage, despite the fact that it's also been reconstructed and rebuilt with an unavoidably modern eye and techniques ... Stonehenge as we know it is *not* the site of 2,500 BC, it's a reconstruction according to the fancy of the time

I go to Avebury as much as the next Gibbon, but I don't want my curiousity to be sated by a subtle form of ethnic cleansing.

RG

Sorry to upset you so much. And your totally right, I'd hate to be kicked out of my home on someone elses whim. I wasn't condoning what happened to the village/ houses, i was just stating that he did a pretty good job of reconstruction (after all holes in the chalk bedrock seem to give an obvious indication of something being there). You may be right about Stonehenge not looking like it did 2500 years ago, but lets be honest, we'll never really know how it really looked or functioned (unless some genius builds a time machine...and that's pretty unlikely).
And as to tree felling, I'm with you totally. But let's not forget it was our 'forward thinking' tree hugging, momma loving, in harmony with nature (alledged) ancestors who cleared most of the UK tree's way back in the Neolithic (you've only gotta see the Highlands to appreciate what a vast amount of destruction our forbears were capable of).
I've never been to Avebury, and have only been to a couple of 'festies' at Stonehenge where no one was allowed near the stones.
World Heritage 'show piece' sites are not the big draw for me, i prefer the small, personal and mundane (well for some).
Again sorry to piss you off, guess i didn't explain myself well enough.

ethnic cleansing is the newsspeak word for genocide isn't it? subtle or not.
Historical perspective.
Rural communities throughout the land were being decimated by the advent of mechanisation, tractors and harvesters meant that ploughmen, stable lads, blacksmiths or farm labourers were no longer required in great numbers.
In other words farming became drastically less labour intensive and the men and women who relied on agriculture had to move to the towns and cities to find work.
The second point is that our grandparents fought for the right to have decent, afordable, hygienic housing instead of slums and rachman landlords.
The villagers of Avebury were moved up the road a little, but no-one died or was injured because of this. The work that keiler and the National Trust offered enabled people to remain within their community, the depopulation of these communities was happening throughout the British Isles, at the same time.
I think the comparison between Keiler and toad of toad hall is a fair one, but subtle genocide ?????

I pissed my sides when the lovely old dear said with slight disgust:

"It was very sad when they blow the trees up, some had been there for hundreds of years. It was VERY exciting though!"

The stones were thousands of years old! I have voiced my concerns over Newbury etc, but I didn't think anyone actually went to protect a TREE par se? Trees are fucking trees. Tree history? Surely thats a clock that is repeatedly started by every playschool in the land. The importance here is surely the restoration of a unique monument. Fuck the trees and the residents, who weren't really treated badly at all, unless I missed something? Surely the whole thing is relative?