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An area of land outside Southampton, known as 'the Triangle', is under threat of building development. Some might say, 'So what?' As one objection to the (successful) planning application put it: 'The site has a legend called Kitty Nocks buried on it and therefore should not be disturbed'. Naturally, this objection wasn't even taken into consideration.

The Triangle is on Kitnocks Hill, in Curdridge, and is formed by the junctions of Lockhams Road, Chapel Lane and Kitnocks Hill. The OS grid reference is SU 534 136, and the postcode is SO32 2HJ for anyone who wants to google map it. It's owned by a Mr C Collins who, in recent years has fenced off the site, preventing the customary public access to it, as well as putting up signs stating 'Trespassers Will Be Sued'. He is currently appealing against the decision to grant him planning permission, because it is conditional on him respecting the tree preservation order covering the site. There isn't as yet a local campaign against the development. One idea, at the most symbolic level, is to leave flowers for Kitty at the Triangle. There is also an application to have the land registered as a village green.

Who is Kitty Nocks? She's a local witch who, at midnight at the full moon, is reputed to ride around a pond in the grounds of Kitnocks House on a white horse. A gargoyle on the south-east corner of the nineteenth-century Curdridge church represents her (as 'Kitnox'). An apparition of an old lady seen in Lockhams Road in 1978 is believed to be her - a poor lad who had just got off the late night bus, believing she was stuck in a ditch, went to help her, but was horrified when his hand went straight through her!

Are you getting your knickers in a twist over a piece of endangered green land or because some mythological witch is supposd to be buried there?

You should campaign about this in the immediate area and Southampton in general if your going to achieve anything, this is a site dedicated to prehistory so you'll not find many people here willing to jump on your (for want of a better word) band waggon.
Good luck to you anyway, though i can't see this as anything more than a cross post spurned by ill targeted desperation to be honest.
Contact your mp and see if you get any joy, raise a local petition in the city center to see if you have any support if it means that much, no one is gonna do it for you are they no matter how many sites you visit to make a one off post. : )

Aren't you two being a bit harsh? Surely someone wanting to save a bit of their local history and a green site at that deserves some sympathy?? Sounds like the usual tale of people selling off tiny corners of land just to make a fast buck and put some houses on them. If it's privately owned I don't know how much luck you'll have... let's hope there are some very rare species on there, or some other planning regulation that'll help you.

By sheer coincidence, I drove through Curdridge on my way to Old Winchester Hill last Sunday!

Unfortunately I didn't remember any of the details from the post so didn't know where to look for "The Triangle"...

I did drive past the church though, and after re-reading the history I'm intrigued to find out more! I might have a nose around in the next couple of weeks...

Not sure it's prehistoric though, but will investigate further.

G x

I dannae think in civil law trespassers can be prosecuted (I suppose they can be sued). This berk is appealling against his own application to develop the site - which has been granted? I am reading this correct??

What does he want to do with the planning permission that he has obtained?

Hello,

I've re-registered to this forum under my real name , though I opened this particular thread on the threat to the reputed burial place of Kitty Nocks under the pseudonym of Seventhorn Inn (after a derelict pub on the A3 near Hindhead - loads of 'leylines' through it, I shouldn't wonder...). I wasn't very cognisant of 'web etiquette' then and I know I put a few people's backs up about being a 'new poster' trying to start a 'bandwagon' with this thread, even attracting a hostile 'stalker' from the Pagan Network website (presumably)... (the Kitnocks thread I started there was deleted a long time ago... for whatever reason).

So, what brings me to these parts, again? (Cripes! I've just discovered I'm going to have to post this gibberish before replying to it myself so I can share the links I would've put in this post! Sorry).

Here's a bit of background (with the full moon coming up soon - auspicious time). I was wrong. Kitty Nocks is not a 'witch' - well, not your flying on a broomstick/five-bar gate/three-legged stool kind,though maybe an inspiration to those mortal women... no, she's more of your 'White Lady' ghost - a folk memory of a water nymph/funerary/mother goddess-type figure, perhaps? I got one or two other details wrong,too, in my haste to flag up what was going on (the threat very much remains, as will be shown).

However, it's been a bit complicated by someone's dilettantish appropriation of some of the inaccurate information I put up in the original post on this thread - and it's my first encounter with the underworld of New Age quasi-vanity publishing (I am contacting the publisher over this issue)... So, basically the two links I'm posting up after this are to do with plagiarism off this site (uncredited, by definition), a matter of putting the record straight (I'm not that hung up about copyright, only about someone claiming copyright on something they've parasited from), as well as a more accurate, up-to-date account of what's going on with Kitty Nocks...

OK, this link is to do with the plagiarism - I'll come clean, it's off my blog
http://thegrammarofmatter.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/anyone-can-write-a-book-2/

This is a link to my article to the current(ish) state of play...
http://thegrammarofmatter.wordpress.com/the-enchantments-of-kitnocks-hill/
There's much more to be said.

I could kick myself for not being involved in the application and subsequent public inquiry to have the Triangle registered as a village green (which was rejected) - there were too many bad things going on in my life at the time and I was too distracted, not that any involvement would have swung it the right way...

Two objections now to Winchester City Council's 'Footpath Stopping-Up Order' - if it's granted, development can proceed unimpeded...

Hi Moss, Hi Rhiannon,
Thank you for your kind replies... I wasn't sure what to expect after the last time. Yes 'amber lady' was the one - similar modus operandi to a certain poster (an admin, I think) on PN. In fact, I drew 30 times more hostility when I raised the Kitnocks issue on a Pagan Network forum and couldn't fathom why, even being accused of being a Discordian troll, a hippie, would-be eco-warrior, etc. Actually, I've got my own ideas why the admins there were generally hostile (not all were), but that would be a distraction...

I think it's sphagnum... comparing the pictures I took with other pictures of the real thing. The owner wants to build a terrace of three houses - one three-bedroomed and two two-bedroomed, a small plot to cram these in, so much potential for irreversible damage. I contacted the Local paper, but after an initial flurry of interest they seem to have gone quiet.

The Council are determined that the development should proceed, hence the 'Footpath-Stopping-Up Order'. The objections are delaying development.

There is much local concern, but it's quite muted, as the developer is a local employer (the building trade, also owns Shedfield Equestrian down the road).

Thanks again.

As regards the plagiarism pointed out above: I have received an acknowledgement from the publisher, The History Press, that the information was indeed taken from this website and not credited. The publisher has offered me a fulsome apology on behalf of the author, Penny Legg, which I shall be accepting. I've withdrawn the posts on the blog to which I've linked on this site,which detailed the specific infringements. I've got one or two other bits of 'housekeeping' I'll need to do, but can't get round to yet as I've got a very hectic schedule this weekend. My sincere thanks go out to those who've supported me on this thread.

Simon.

Looks like the last hurdle to developing this site has been cleared. Here's a response: http://thegrammarofmatter.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/tempting-fate-at-kitnocks-hill/