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StoneGloves Sep 12, 2011 08:33:29
Replying to Resonox

"Is rock-art (esp cups and rings)...representative, communicative or aesthetic and will we ever know?"

It continues up until the present day. People are still making Rock Art, of various forms, right now. There's not many of them, and they're not working in a tradition, generally, but it is still going. The gargoyles and flourishes on ancient churches are rock art. So are the Celtic Heads.

The cup and ring motif is well known and easily recognised. Cupmarks, of various form, are found around the world. They are generally assumed to be prehistoric, but that is because they are associated with other ancient monuments. Some of the English cupmarks attributed as prehistoric might even be medieval (or later).

There are said to be three stages of response following new discoveries. Silence, ridicule and hearty acceptance. A person finding a cup and ring marked stone on the moors of North Yorkshire might expect the three stages to occur quite rapidly - in a couple of weeks. A person finding something that has not previously been seen before might expect to wait years or even decades ...

S Sanctuary
Sanctuary Sep 12, 2011 08:43:46
Replying to StoneGloves

StoneGloves wrote:
"Is rock-art (esp cups and rings)...representative, communicative or aesthetic and will we ever know?"

It continues up until the present day. People are still making Rock Art, of various forms, right now. There's not many of them, and they're not working in a tradition, generally, but it is still going. The gargoyles and flourishes on ancient churches are rock art. So are the Celtic Heads.

The cup and ring motif is well known and easily recognised. Cupmarks, of various form, are found around the world. They are generally assumed to be prehistoric, but that is because they are associated with other ancient monuments. Some of the English cupmarks attributed as prehistoric might even be medieval (or later).

There are said to be three stages of response following new discoveries. Silence, ridicule and hearty acceptance. A person finding a cup and ring marked stone on the moors of North Yorkshire might expect the three stages to occur quite rapidly - in a couple of weeks. A person finding something that has not previously been seen before might expect to wait years or even decades ...

Showing once again my almost complete ignorance of 'rock art' was there a 'start' and 'finish' point in time in the UK when the BULK of it was done in the ancient world?

T tiompan
tiompan Sep 12, 2011 08:47:35
Replying to StoneGloves

StoneGloves wrote:
"Is rock-art (esp cups and rings)...representative, communicative or aesthetic and will we ever know?"

It continues up until the present day. People are still making Rock Art, of various forms, right now. There's not many of them, and they're not working in a tradition, generally, but it is still going. The gargoyles and flourishes on ancient churches are rock art. So are the Celtic Heads.

The cup and ring motif is well known and easily recognised. Cupmarks, of various form, are found around the world. They are generally assumed to be prehistoric, but that is because they are associated with other ancient monuments. Some of the English cupmarks attributed as prehistoric might even be medieval (or later).

There are said to be three stages of response following new discoveries. Silence, ridicule and hearty acceptance. A person finding a cup and ring marked stone on the moors of North Yorkshire might expect the three stages to occur quite rapidly - in a couple of weeks. A person finding something that has not previously been seen before might expect to wait years or even decades ...

That is total nonsense , if the find is genuine it will be accepted for what is , instantly by the community and in the case of Discovery and Excavation Scotland in print within 18 months and in Canmore within much the same period . In hundreds of examples of finds , "that have never been seen before " I have never had any such problem but that may be because they are genuine and in the few cases there is any doubt the word possible gets used .If it is not genuine it will be politely ignored and if the finder continues to makes claims for it's authenticity it will be reviewed ,if after that they continue to to make similar claims they will probably get a reputation but even then any new sugestion will still be looked at .

J juamei
juamei Sep 12, 2011 20:45:52
Replying to StoneGloves

StoneGloves wrote:
A person finding something that has not previously been seen before might expect to wait years or even decades ...
If something is completely different to any other rock art or monument, then scepticism is a natural and perfectly acceptable response. After all what is the most likely outcome, that this is a completely new paradigm in prehistory, or its something else, either natural or made later?

I believe in all the years you have posted here that you have personally found previously unknown prehistoric art and/or monuments. I also believe most of what you claim to be prehistoric isn't.

But as you can't seem to accept an honest, freely given opinion, I stopped giving mine on what you post a long time ago... And no I am not an archeo, I have never been trained, but I have seen a lot of recognised prehistory all over the country and I suspect my eye is just as good as a lot of people with training...

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