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StoneGloves wrote:
"Compare the quality of information in the ERA report , something described by you as a fiasco ,with your judgement based on no knowledge or experience of the subject and some pics just clear enough to show the markings are natural ."

I'm sorry, love, but you're just going to have to stew. 'A little knowledge is a dangerous thing'. When you demean and insult drystone wallers you show that you are empty of humour and kindness. I suggest you get out of your armchair and visit this valley. Not to the demented carved stones, but to the copper mine or the roundhouses that have been split by the latest road. Then your criticism will have a genuine basis rather than being a bullying personal attack.

There are several stones with simple cupmarks, at the Knar, and it is an utter fiasco that these weren't surveyed in any way, shape or form. Nothing will change that!

Last year a dry stone waller working near Carnwath discovered a genuine marked rock in a dyke in he was working on . He made no claim that his job gave him an understanding of rock art any more than a typist had a greater understanding of etmyology because of theirs . Where do I demean and insult drystonewallers ? Because of you ignorance of the subject and rudeness about surveyors who have forgotten more than you will ever know doesn’t mean anyone associates these failings with those who happen to do the same job . I have pointed out where you are wrong , as others have done in the past , that is not bullying whereas your name calling , with no justification , of people who are not here to read it could be construed as such .
As for getting out of armchairs , maybe you should do that and actually go and see some real rock art in the field and after a couple of years you might manage to recognise some . There may well be lots of genuine rock art in the area but you have not shown any pics of it .

"Because of you ignorance of the subject and rudeness about surveyors who have forgotten more than you will ever know"

If you look at the English Rock Art map, showing the Knaresdale panel 1, you'll see another site marked, but it is not listed. That's roughly where the larger of the two standing stones is and suggests that the rock art surveyors did actually get to it. Note how their survey sheet correctly identifies 'Knarsdale' while the ERA listing describes it as 'Knaresdale'. The two stones at Tortie have not been surveyed and are not listed there- a serious omission - and neither has a very small standing stone on Hallbankhead fell. This has two conventional cupmarks. I can see that the surveyors tried hard but, in their description of Knaresdale 1, have missed out a very important factor, which is the pattern of the grain of the sandstone. There are coarse quartz inclusions in the shape of a bounded X, and this feature is common to each of this group of marked stones. It is possible to follow this quartz pattern into the bedrock, at the place these stones were quarried. There's no pitting on that stone, natural or artificial, and a hunk of rock, 'recently' prised from this quarry face, is lying there, with the inclusions, but without the indents. It needs a stonemason to notice these things, I'm afraid, and I could have pointed it out, on site, in 2007, but, sadly, due to not being able to walk far, am no longer able to do so.

tiompan wrote:
Last year a dry stone waller working near Carnwath discovered a genuine marked rock in a dyke in he was working on . He made no claim that his job gave him an understanding of rock art any more than a typist had a greater understanding of etmyology because of theirs .
The find was made at Dunsyre. The finder was Mr Austen Reid, local drystaner and discoverer of South Lanarkshire's third ever piece of Rock Art. The others pieces being from Wester Yardhouses and Fernigair.

http://www.biggararchaeology.org.uk/news20_170810.shtml