I can't speak for HH and I'm sure he/she wouldn't want me to. I can say though I don't think its negative to say that while this long circular discussion continues with no provable outcome all other topics are essentially being stifled. You yourself suggested that others start a new topic if they don't want to participate in this one - but what are you doing to encourage this. Its ok you know, you can still have your solstice trip without having to dominate the forum for the next couple of months talking about it. No disrespect intended.