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spencer wrote:
I totally agree with your hypothesis. But cannot prove it.
Not always necessary to prove everything spencer.

We’ll probably never prove that the Buddha actually achieved enlightenment and entered Nirvana, nor if Jesus ascended to take his seat at the right hand of God. Nor whether Krishna really did counsel Arjuna on the Field of Dharma... but you take my point :-) The point is that those concepts, those ever evolving interpretations of ‘reality’ as we perceive it, have not stopped millions of people from believing in them nor, perhaps more importantly, from creating some of mankind’s greatest art, architecture, music and poetry in their name.

That aside, a few days after starting this thread, I realised how much Richard Jefferies had (subconsciously) influenced my opening post. Jefferies, Rabindranath Tagore, Walt Whitman and thousands of other poets, humanists, gurus, mystics and visionaries have been the guiding light for so many – past and present, East and West. Perhaps it’s Jefferies however, more than any other, who touches the souls of those here who would ‘drink at the spring’. Here’s what Jefferies writes in his book, The Old House at Coate, about (spring) water -

"I went to drink at the spring: the clear, cool, and sweet water tempted me in the summer. Stooping in the rocky cell, I lifted the water in the hollow of my hand, carefully else the sand might be disturbed. The sunlight gleamed on it as it slipped through my fingers; thus I had the sun, too, in my palm. Alone, under the roots of the trees and the step stone; alone, with the sunlight and the pure water, there was a sense of something more than these; the water was more to me than water; and the sun than sun - as if I had something in common with them and could feel with them. The gleaming ray on the liquid in my palm held me in its possession for the moment: the touch of the water gave me something from itself; it dropped from my fingers and was gone; the gleam disappeared, but I had had them. Beside the physical water and the physical light, my soul had received from them their beauty."

I feel it beholden on me to respond to your post about Richard Jefferies - given the Old House at Coate is very close to where I live and I'm happy to promote its current use as a museum dedicated to nature side RJ's work. He clearly was his happiest roaming the Wiltshire countryside as a boy and young man but suspect would be hard pressed to find that spring again these days (probably buried under the M4). Although he died young, his life in London understandably was not so idyllic - apparently he often stood in front of the Royal Exchange and watched the flow of Victorian commercial life pass by - he wrote ...

"all these men and women that pass through are driven on by the push of accumulated circumstances; they cannot stay, they must go …. Where will be these millions of to-day in a hundred years? But, further than that, let us ask, Where then will be the sum and outcome of their labour? … There will not be any sum or outcome or result of this ceaseless labour and movement; it vanishes in the moment that it is done, and in a hundred years nothing will be there, for nothing is there now."

He was wrong was he not. We live with the legacy of the industrious Victorians and also the materialism of late 20th century. Would he have hated the dual carriageway outside his home and the speed of everything - perhaps not, if he lived today would he have owned a car? An imponderable!

Although you were not addressing me directly I have to take issue with your first paragraph (this is a discussion forum) - of course no one would ever be able to prove "Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God" etc. Its nonsense, or at best metaphorical. And while speaking of inspired art, you forgot to mention all the atrocities that were done in name of religion over the centuries - and are still being done in the name of religion.

The bit about the spring was nice though.