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I can't remember if snail or perhaps plant analysis has confirmed this was a possibility, but I do remember reading there were no signs of water staining or silting upon excavation.

However, I can't shake the feeling that the ditch held water, intentionally, as a vital element of the complex. It feels right to me, which is obviously proof of nothing beyond my own tendency toward romance, but it is an enduring image.

The green against the gleaming chalk, wood, stone and the water surround, reflecting the sky, the people peering into it, the sun, the moon.

Any thoughts, feelings, ideas about this?

Don't know about Avebury but I do remember speculation that there was a broad, shallow moat around Silbury Hill. The speculation concentrated on the reflection of the still white mound adding even further to its spectacle.

Just remembered. It was Adam Thorpe in On Silbury Hill. Which you are all now aware of.

Don't know if this is an accepted theory, something their is evidence of, or another example of Mr Thorpe's diverting speculation.

Evergreen Dazed wrote:
I can't remember if snail or perhaps plant analysis has confirmed this was a possibility, but I do remember reading there were no signs of water staining or silting upon excavation.

However, I can't shake the feeling that the ditch held water, intentionally, as a vital element of the complex. It feels right to me, which is obviously proof of nothing beyond my own tendency toward romance, but it is an enduring image.

The green against the gleaming chalk, wood, stone and the water surround, reflecting the sky, the people peering into it, the sun, the moon.

Any thoughts, feelings, ideas about this?

'They' say there was never water in the ditch but common sense says there must have been at some stage, whether by rainfall or rising I would have thought. On saying that, the closest point I know where water is present is the well in the Keiller room at the RL. The well is 86ft deep but the ditch was only 30ft but what was the situation at the time?

With regard to the bank...this is from A Lady in Waiting:

'I have mentioned that the finished article must have looked spectacular on its completion and others have made mention of the ditch and bank having a gleaming white appearance at that point in time, but would that really have been the case?
The ditch alone must have taken so long to dig out that surely earlier digging would have ‘greened up’ as continued digging took place! Evidence of this is seen quite regularly when groups of people are seen carrying out ‘maintenance’ on many of the white horses and other such hill figures and designs throughout the countryside. If this remedial work was not carried out every few years many of these figures would have long since disappeared as Mother Nature reclaimed what was rightfully hers. To all intents and purposes, that is exactly what has happened at the Great Circle with both ditch and bank now completely covered in grass, save for the well trodden paths along the top of the banks.
Of course it is entirely possible that the ditch and bank that had already been dug out and heaped up were cleaned regularly as work continued so that the white surface remained. But would that have been necessary if the ‘look’ was not important? Probably of little importance but nevertheless an interesting point to at least consider'.

I've seen many a person take a piss in it. Also seen plenty of pissed people unable to climb back out. :)

This isn't really helping is it. :D

Evergreen Dazed wrote:
I can't remember if snail or perhaps plant analysis has confirmed this was a possibility, but I do remember reading there were no signs of water staining or silting upon excavation.

However, I can't shake the feeling that the ditch held water, intentionally, as a vital element of the complex. It feels right to me, which is obviously proof of nothing beyond my own tendency toward romance, but it is an enduring image.

The green against the gleaming chalk, wood, stone and the water surround, reflecting the sky, the people peering into it, the sun, the moon.

Any thoughts, feelings, ideas about this?

Thoughts? Is all they can ever be. It does seem as though Avebury and Silbury were about water as much as anything else. With the Winterbourne flowing around the western edge of Avebury towards Silbury. Also we know there were several wells inside the circle e.g. on the site of the Red Lion - and that the water table was probably a lot higher back then. I can visualise water in the Avebury ditches but perhaps, like Silbury today, only at certain times of the year. Given the ditches and banks were chalk wouldn't it permeate through and rise elsewhere in the wells and river (almost like a reservoir).

According to Burl . ".”Parts of the ditch are 2.4 metres above the present water table of the Kennet and presumably even higher in the Neolithic , that and the lack of silting suggests that there was no moat ."

Mike Allen "The excavation and recording of the Avebury ditchsequence accompanied by a full sampling for land snails, soils, pollen and charred remains to provide a key, long palaeo-environmental and chronological sequence for this monument." From "Archaeological Research Agenda for the Avebury World Heritage Site ".Suggests that there has been no palynology ,malacology etc.