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Just a question to generate discussion. What makes a stone circle or circles ceremonial? Where is the proven evidence for this?
I'm taking the week off to attend and take part in The Hurler's...Mapping the Sun project and noticed they are considered as being for ceremonial purposes.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/hurlers-stone-circles/
Really looking forward to it as it is on my doorstep..Yay.

Theres no 'proven evidence' in that sense as we have little idea what went on at many prehistoric monuments, particularly, it seems, stone circles, but we attempt to build a picture through interpretation of what is found.

A ceremonial, 'ritual' function is often, not always, ascribed because of the nature of the site, what is found at it and the fact that describing a mysterious monument like a stone circle as a place of ceremony or ritual is, to be perfectly honest, the easiest thing to do. If you were being critical you may say its saying something but committing to nothing.

That said, a broadly ceremonial/ritual nature might is hinted at by many things like portalled entrances, avenues, astronomical alignments, polished axeheads, human and animal burials, cup marks, scattered quartz, ditches.. the list goes on.

It is difficult, I suppose, to ascribe a purely functional reason for some of these things, a good example being the upturned tree stump at Seahenge.
Circles may have been meeting places, even trading centres. I doubt it myself, but even if they were I still think there would have been a formal nature to proceedings.
Ceremonial/ritual, as a site description, does quite nicely as a catch-all but I wouldn't get too hung up about it.

I love these questions involving speculation Mr S – thanks for yet another one.

Dunno if you’re the same, but I quite often find myself having to check out the exact meaning of a word like ‘ceremony’. The OED gives one definition as, “A system of rites; a rite or ceremony; the formalities proper to an occasion.” I like the last bit, “...the formalities proper to an occasion.” so maybe we should take it from there and ask what might the ‘formalities’ be for occasions important to our ancestors. Occasions like birth, death, trials, executions, sacrifices, trading and feasting all spring to mind and we know that some of those things were performed at places where they’d been performed before, and consequently at places that had accrued a degree of sacredness (or at least of specialness).

So, to that extent, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that the primary function of most, but not all, stone circles was ceremonial...

"Just a question to generate discussion. What makes a stone circle or circles ceremonial? Where is the proven evidence for this?"

There is no evidence. If a reasonable assumption is stated often enough, it becomes established as fact.

Sanctuary wrote:
Just a question to generate discussion. What makes a stone circle or circles ceremonial? Where is the proven evidence for this?
I'm taking the week off to attend and take part in The Hurler's...Mapping the Sun project and noticed they are considered as being for ceremonial purposes.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/hurlers-stone-circles/
Really looking forward to it as it is on my doorstep..Yay.
Hi Sanctuary, I shall come and talk to you, because this thread is getting way over my head. The question asks 'what makes a stone circle ceremonial' I think Evergreen Dazed has made the points most succinctly, for me if you create an 'avenue', or cursus, than you are producing a walkway to process along, Avebury, Stonehenge and Stanton Drew all have one to their circles... what do you do when you get to the circles? that is of course impossible to answer, visiting traders, chiefs invited into the inner circle to have a confab... maybe; religious..... maybe; star watching...maybe.
Do the stones have any significance in the way they are fashioned? well that to me is interesting, shapes and sizes differ from circle to circle.
As for the Hurlers, well definitely looking to their ancestral tor, and I would love to be in Minions again.:)

Sanctuary wrote:
Just a question to generate discussion. What makes a stone circle or circles ceremonial? Where is the proven evidence for this?
I'm taking the week off to attend and take part in The Hurler's...Mapping the Sun project and noticed they are considered as being for ceremonial purposes.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/hurlers-stone-circles/
Really looking forward to it as it is on my doorstep..Yay.
I think everyone accepts that short of the invention of a time machine, we'll probably never know for sure what stone circles were for. So discussion and speculation on the subject will never come to any definitive conclusion. Just competing theories that may be more or less likely than one another.

I think the "ceremonial" explanation makes a lot of sense as a theory; i.e. that they are the neolithic equivalent of cathedrals, temples, chapels and so forth. And the reason that makes sense is because our knowledge of other cultures suggest that one of the first things people do when they start building things... once they've progressed beyond tombs... is to construct temples.

But if you are basing your theory on that, then you have to acknowledge that cultures also start to produce other types of structure around the same time. Maybe their temples were all made of wood and we have no evidence of them at all... but their Courts of Justice (or equivalent) just had to be circles of stone for some reason. Courts are also important enough to put a lot of effort into; and depending upon the size of the community, could be of various different sizes.

Theatres / performance spaces are also important enough to put a lot of effort into (just look at some of the Amphitheatres of old). Or maybe stone circles were a competitive sports venue... of a sport whose rules we'll never know. Or perhaps they are globstopples*

As I say; I think most of us accept we'll never really know definitively. Which means we can all hold on to our pet theories, and so long as we accept they are just that - theories - that's a perfectly fine state of affairs I imagine.

On the "what does science have to offer?" debate, I would suggest that whatever additional factual information we do manage to uncover about these ancient monuments is likely to come via scientific investigation. Simply because that which we define as constituting "factual information" can only really be accessed through rational, scientific investigation.

That said, there are plenty of arenas where rational, scientific, purpose-orientated investigation is unhelpful; even counter-productive. But if we want to know more about something built thousands of years ago, then it's really the only useful tool we have.

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* Globstopple: a word I just made up to denote a building whose purpose has no direct equivalent in our culture.

My favoured theory of the origination of 'stone circles' is that put forward by George Meaden some years back. Although to be fair I've never heard of it since, or seen the book again.

Basically the guy hypothesised that the first rings were timber demarcations of the perimeters of crop 'circles' caused by natural spiral vortexes, the farmers presumably attempting to capture the 'magic imprint' of visiting invisible earth spirits within their fields. I've seen these vortexes in action myself, sending chaff spiralling into the air, although sadly never actually flattening crop. I understand oval / egg-shaped rings formed by such vortexes are relatively common, the result of the centre of gravity shifting slightly before dissipation.... the erection of wooden 'markers' around the circumference, later replaced with stone, provides a much more plausible explanation - for me - for the existance of many non circular rings than Thom's trigonometry theory. After all a perfect circle is easy to achieve, just a stake and a rope, but an oval or egg a lot harder... unless Nature had already provided the outline to trace.

Obviously not suggesting all, or even the majority of circles were the result of vortexes; but once such enclosures became associated with the spiritual word people might have seen fit to erect their own to maybe attract spirits to their land or symbolise somewhere 'sacred', somewhere outside the realm of every day existance. Perhaps.

Hi Roy, sorry to come to this discussion late in the day. Lots of useful posts being made which I have been reading.
Just before I went up to Lewis I printed off this article http://www.soue.org.uk/souenews/issue8/thom.html
and did a bit of reading up on Alexander Thom and Megalithic Astronomy. It's an interesting article which also touches on the 'megalithic yard' - a linear measurement of 0.829m or 2.72ft.

As we have been discussing certain alignments during this thread I wondered if any of this comes into play?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tuesdays-blue-moon-many-names-195741735.html#usNmE9m

Just a thought which no doubt has been mentioned many times before, but if a circle has a recumbent stone in it, is it more likely to 'suggest' that it was 'used' for something different to your bog standard circle without a recumbent, even if in the same area?