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Wind turbines; Again we have a stone circle threatened by the visual impact of a wind turbine in Aberdeenshire, and until there is more information re the planning application number we have to wait.

But there is also another much larger project on the horizon, the largest wind farm in the world (2000 wind turbines), is going to be on our doorstep, not on land but out to sea. This time it will be Dogger Bank in the North sea, the lost land or land bridge that once joined us to the continent. Today it is a very large shallow sand bank, you can wiki it for info, and is the subject of a book called 'Doggerland', as archaeological remains have been trawled from the sea over the years mesolithic finds have come to light, it was reduced to an island about 5000 bc, so whether there were prehistoric stones there I do not know.

Apart from the area being fertile fishing grounds, the archaeological evidence has also been noted by various meetings, the presumed date at which work starts is 2014/2015. I came across it in the Whitby Gazette news, they are hopefully wanting to be the port (jobs) for all the comings and goings for building this enormous wind farm and also infrastructure on land.

Doggerland, a good wiki here, note that BBC news link does say standing stones as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland


The proposed scheme....
http://www.royalhaskoning.co.uk/en-gb/Publication/Documents/projects/dogger-bank-offshore-wind-farm-EIA.pdf

moss wrote:
But there is also another much larger project on the horizon, the largest wind farm in the world (2000 wind turbines), is going to be on our doorstep, not on land but out to sea.
What a coincidence... maybe not:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0718/1224320306857.html

Renewable energy has become a double-edged sword hasn't it. Not just wind turbines but solar panel parks too. In Wiltshire there are many planning applications for solar parks pending, some are opposed on the grounds of size and visual impact. This is the future rather than the past that we are rolling the dice for - you probably heard the interview on R4 this morning where we were told that gas prices will carry on increasing as demand on the limited world supplies grows. I don't know about everyone else but the last time I had a letter from my energy supplier telling me how much they had increased my direct debit payments I went into shock ...
We are between a rock and a hard place where energy resources are concerned.

moss wrote:
as archaeological remains have been trawled from the sea over the years mesolithic finds have come to light, it was reduced to an island about 5000 bc, so whether there were prehistoric stones there I do not know.
Yes, I was reading about mesolithic archaeology the other day and just how much settlement evidence there may be that is now under the North Sea, the area of the land bridge etc. It's fascinating.

As regards impact, accepting that it's probably sensible to aim to generate less C02 - which I do, for a lot of reasons - then if it's a choice between Wind Turbines and Nuclear Waste buried under the Lake District, I guess I'd go for Wind Turbines. (if there was some sort of archaelogical protocol in place as well I guess). Wind turbines could hopefully at least be dismantled one day, unlike nuclear waste.
Perhaps that isn't the choice, though.
As an interim at least, though, I am always inclined to err on the side of 'renewables' rather than anything else. (ie Nuclear which is touted as the 'clean' alternative). I do have a big problem with Nuclear power/weapons/waste the whole toxic circle that comes with that. I don't think wind turbines look that bad a few on a hill above a village in North Wales, for example, if that power's going to the village - and they stand for non-polluting power. I dunno. They do have an impact, undoubtedly, it's not ideal any way, really.

If in these cases it's more a question shifting the turbines to where they'd have less of a impact (on archaelogical evidence in the sea, out of sight alignments with the circle) then I totally support that.

Channel 4 tonight, 8 pm - Britain's Stone Age Tsunami, if anyone is interested.

"New research reveals that 8000 years ago a huge tsunami swamped the east coast of Britain with waves as high as 10 metres. Tony Robinson examines what caused the event and learns more the sophisticated Mesolithic communities that inhabited Doggerland, an area of dry land the size of Germany that connected Britain to the rest of Europe"...
so says the Radio Times

New Research ?! Rubbish. I'm now going to have repetitive nightmares about a stone age Steve Mcfadden.