A quick sketch

close
more_vert
bladup B
bladup Sep 14, 2012 16:14:34
Replying to nigelswift

nigelswift wrote:
i wasnt joking, I would genuinely like to see photos of the 20 things you say are depicted on panels that you dont need mushrooms for. Give us the pics, thats all, words are so much less illustrative.

And no, Im not decrying 'shrooms as an aid to looking at rock art. Take this panel http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8205035.stm
Dunno if the discoverer bloke was high but its a fact that if you are you realise the panel is four dimensional.... The 4th dimension is TIME. And thats important. The marks could have been added progressively over several thousand years so looking them as a whole may be looking at them wrong, and saying they are a star map or a spring map or whatever could be a big mistake, albeit understandable at first sight.

Talk about looking at things with modern eyes, everything i listed WOULD have meant something real in their day to day lives, they would know where I'm coming from, they would have no understanding of a 4 th dimension of time or any dimension for that matter, physical world/ spirit world maybe and of cause things would be added over time as things change over time, the landscape started to change so much because of us as well, do you really think the ancients were quantum physicists? i do not!!! and i doubt "you know who" was high, because if he was he may understand that world a lot more, just because he can find them doesn't mean he understands them at all.

R Rhiannon
Rhiannon Sep 14, 2012 16:20:36
Replying to bladup

I think you're being too hasty. I think the carvers would have (possibly) had a more close relationship with time than us because they'd have necessarily have had to be aware of cyclical changes with the seasons - it'd have affected where they could find their food and what food they could eat. And imagine how darkness would curtail your goings-about when you couldn't flick a light switch on.

So if they were carving the symbols / shapes over an extended period of time, that might make a lot of sense, connecting one cycle to another. Maybe if you were nomadic, only passing a particular outcrop once every year, then you would indeed add to it (casually or in some important ritual) every year, to mark that you'd been there. Or whatever.

Does that not sound feasible?

N nigelswift
nigelswift Sep 14, 2012 16:23:58
Replying to bladup

" they would have no understanding of a 4 th dimension of time or any dimension for that matter"

Now there you're as wrong as a completely wrong person, but its irrelevant -
what Im saying is that when we look at that panel it is many thousands of years deep whereas back then it was much younger and had a lot of the marks missing. How then can the marks in toto be said to relate to any sort of intentionality back then? It can't can it?