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Resonox R
Resonox May 11, 2012 16:40:47
Replying to Littlestone

Acupuncture is not an effective cure or it would be used widely...it works for a few people perhaps in the same way a placebo works for a few people....nobody knows how something with no medicinal properties works on someone because they have been told it will work(...like the ads say, "Nothing works more effectively on headaches than" ..to which Spike Milligan famously said, "Thats why I use nothing to cure my headaches!")

There is IMO a world of difference between being cured of an ailment and proclaiming that rocks fling certain people across fields because of the power surges which these people claim to be able to detect...especially as these things happen sans witnesses.....The film Mystery Men..had a character who could turn himself invisible but only when no-one was watching him, I find claimants of special powers to be like this. Mind you there was a dowser of certain fame filmed for a news programme...he used to get "electric shocks" from stones (almost any standing stone he chose) though no-one else present got so much as frostbite from keeping their hands on the stones for too long....when this "special person" proceeded to touch the stone he started jittering and shaking in a manner he assumed was symptomatic of an electric shock (I can only assume he had never had a real electric shock or had watched too many Tom & Jerry cartoons...the way he carried on)...however when the reporter touched him...or should I say once he realised the reporter had touched him, in an effort to see if he too would be affected(he wasn't)..the remarkable dowser stopped his cavortings claiming that he had been earthed. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of physics would know that if the reporter had earthed him the electricity would have had to travel through the reporter's body, the same goes for a modicum of medical knowledge someone to have had an electric shock of such strength that "stuck" his hands to the rock....he would need a medical check-up to ensure a cardiac arrhythmia had not affected him.
So I might be an awkward bugger...but I need proof that something is before I will put my name to it....however I don't need proof something isn't to disbelieve it.....

S Sanctuary
Sanctuary May 11, 2012 17:15:13
Replying to Resonox

Resonox wrote:
Acupuncture is not an effective cure or it would be used widely...it works for a few people perhaps in the same way a placebo works for a few people....nobody knows how something with no medicinal properties works on someone because they have been told it will work(...like the ads say, "Nothing works more effectively on headaches than" ..to which Spike Milligan famously said, "Thats why I use nothing to cure my headaches!")

There is IMO a world of difference between being cured of an ailment and proclaiming that rocks fling certain people across fields because of the power surges which these people claim to be able to detect...especially as these things happen sans witnesses.....The film Mystery Men..had a character who could turn himself invisible but only when no-one was watching him, I find claimants of special powers to be like this. Mind you there was a dowser of certain fame filmed for a news programme...he used to get "electric shocks" from stones (almost any standing stone he chose) though no-one else present got so much as frostbite from keeping their hands on the stones for too long....when this "special person" proceeded to touch the stone he started jittering and shaking in a manner he assumed was symptomatic of an electric shock (I can only assume he had never had a real electric shock or had watched too many Tom & Jerry cartoons...the way he carried on)...however when the reporter touched him...or should I say once he realised the reporter had touched him, in an effort to see if he too would be affected(he wasn't)..the remarkable dowser stopped his cavortings claiming that he had been earthed. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of physics would know that if the reporter had earthed him the electricity would have had to travel through the reporter's body, the same goes for a modicum of medical knowledge someone to have had an electric shock of such strength that "stuck" his hands to the rock....he would need a medical check-up to ensure a cardiac arrhythmia had not affected him.
So I might be an awkward bugger...but I need proof that something is before I will put my name to it....however I don't need proof something isn't to disbelieve it.....

I found this interesting to read whether you believe any of it or not. Many obviously do and it is obviously a very serious matter to them which I for one will respect.

http://www.britishdowsers.org/learning/what_is_dowsing.shtml

L Littlestone
Littlestone May 23, 2012 10:23:26
Replying to Resonox

Acupuncture is not an effective cure or it would be used widely...
According to the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, estimates for the 2012 populations of the following countries are -

China - 1,347,350,000
North Korea - 24,554,000
South Korea - 48,580,000
Japan - 127,650,000
Viet Nam – 87,840.000

If only half, half the population of those countries (listed because of their shared culture) use acupuncture it’s fair to say its use is not just widely prevalent but, by implication, also effective. If we then take into account people using acupuncture in parts of the world other than the Far East it’s beyond dispute that the treatment is not only ‘widely used’ but also widely accepted as being effective and, as stated above, now (tentatively) endorsed by the World Health Organization.

It might also be worth mentioning that acupuncture is only one form of ‘pressure-point’ treatment - there are others, thereby increasing the number of people receiving acupuncture/acupuncture-like treatments even further. Also, to extend the subject slightly, traditional Far Eastern medicinal remedies (though largely unknown let alone understood in Western medical circles) are in an efficacy class of their own (I’ll personally vouch for it) with Korea being recognised throughout that part of the world as the leader in the knowledge, collation (in manuscript form) and application of those remedies.

Perhaps if we stop insisting that things don’t or can’t work (or can’t just ‘be’) because we don’t yet have proof that they do we’d move towards the what ‘might be’ and the ‘what is possible’. Certainly, in the case of traditional medicinal remedies (not only those in the Far East but elsewhere in the world) research and an open mind towards understanding those things is needed before they, and their possible benefits, are lost to us forever.

NB, as tsc has pointed out elsewhere, Hamlet, act 1, scene 5 (159–167 ;-)