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Gwass Sep 6, 2011 12:24:36
Replying to The Sea Cat

The Sea Cat wrote:
Squid Tempest wrote:
For hundreds (or even thousands) of years our population has been made up from people from various European countries, and many from further afield. There is nothing new here, and nothing wrong here. There should be no barriers between people in my opinion. Otherwise you perpetuate an "us and them" situation, which is inherently racist. Our country has always been, and hopefully always will be, multicultural and cosmopolitan. Population on our continent is mobile, and this needs to be accepted.
Absolutely. It is an organic and symbiotic process, hence our multi faceted and splendidly diverse culture and heritage.
I have to disagree. I remember reading a link on here about a year ago that research had proven that c85% of British people were directly related to the first settlers.

Isn't that "we're all immigrants anyway" a recent invention by the left to justify our mass immigration levels? I know a lot of people work in the public sector here and hence tory bashing is rife and these views go along with that. I know that working for local govt these pro immigration views are almost force fed to staff & that PC culture runs from top to bottom in such organisations, I talk from experience by the way.

Aren't these views just an example of that kind of conditioning if you like?

My understanding was also that historians incorrectly perpetuated the invasion theory untill recently due to ignorance and an obsession with the classical world being the only way to civilize us. I really thought that it was now accepted as being wrong that the Romans, Saxons, Viking & Normans all had much impact on us as a people apart from a cultural movement of ideas.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

R Rhiannon
Rhiannon Sep 6, 2011 12:50:11
Replying to Gwass

I wonder who you include in your 'original settlers' Gwass. I really can't imagine 85% of us are related to the few thousands of people left here when the land bridge disappeared, I'd love to see the proof.

And if you don't like the idea that we're a nation of immigrants, does that mean you think anyone with Saxon, Viking, Norman etc ancestors isn't properly British? Because that's going to include an awful lot of people, doubtless yourself included. And what if my ancestors came here a hundred years ago from (I don't know) Portugal, would I be properly British enough for you. Where are you going to draw your line, who's rightly allowed to be here? What do you think all these Foreigners are doing in this country - do you know, some of them even have jobs, skilled jobs at that, and contribute to society, and pay taxes, and all sorts. Bloody hell I'm even friends with some of them, are you? In fact, I'm even related to some of them, heaven forbid.

Or is it that you want to stop anyone coming into this country from this moment onwards. Or do you have certain countries you'll allow them in from I wonder? Or will they be allowed in if they promise to speak English and watch the cricket and eat fry ups every morning. Don't tell me, you just don't want any shifty looking lazy ones who move straight into an 9 bedroom council house and live on benefits.

And did you know, some people even emigrate from Britain! Can you imagine. What are they thinking of.

You state that lots of people here work in the public sector and imply they're dreadful lefties. I don't know if that's true, I don't think we've ever had a poll. But if it IS true, why would you think that would be? Surely this strange interest in prehistoric sites doesn't attract that sort of person? Why would that be... Hmmm...

T The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat Sep 6, 2011 13:55:23
Replying to Gwass

Gwass wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
Squid Tempest wrote:
For hundreds (or even thousands) of years our population has been made up from people from various European countries, and many from further afield. There is nothing new here, and nothing wrong here. There should be no barriers between people in my opinion. Otherwise you perpetuate an "us and them" situation, which is inherently racist. Our country has always been, and hopefully always will be, multicultural and cosmopolitan. Population on our continent is mobile, and this needs to be accepted.
Absolutely. It is an organic and symbiotic process, hence our multi faceted and splendidly diverse culture and heritage.
I have to disagree. I remember reading a link on here about a year ago that research had proven that c85% of British people were directly related to the first settlers.

Isn't that "we're all immigrants anyway" a recent invention by the left to justify our mass immigration levels? I know a lot of people work in the public sector here and hence tory bashing is rife and these views go along with that. I know that working for local govt these pro immigration views are almost force fed to staff & that PC culture runs from top to bottom in such organisations, I talk from experience by the way.

Aren't these views just an example of that kind of conditioning if you like?

My understanding was also that historians incorrectly perpetuated the invasion theory untill recently due to ignorance and an obsession with the classical world being the only way to civilize us. I really thought that it was now accepted as being wrong that the Romans, Saxons, Viking & Normans all had much impact on us as a people apart from a cultural movement of ideas.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The broader cultural impact, not just numbers of settlers. Pre-Roman Britain from the Iron Age to the Celts was an important trader with many influences and mutual exchanges of cultures etc. This was surely compounded by the smaller number of immigrants who settled and whose influence was felt and assimilated, especially from Roman Britain, through the Middle Ages, Empire and beyond. From that viewpoint, we are most definitely a muli-culture.