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Sanctuary S
Sanctuary Nov 19, 2011 07:14:28
Replying to GLADMAN

GLADMAN wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
tjj wrote:
jshell wrote:
You'll see much more of this from now on. Suddenly governments across Europe and America are staring to realise that the cost and effectiveness of renewables are not worth it, particularly combined with the economic crisis. There wil be a slow retreat from co2 emissions targets too as the realisation that natural variability in climate is far overwhelming man's effects - at least that's what the 'leaked' (believe that bollox if you lijke) next IPCC report will say.

..... Gas fired power stations will see us for the next hundred or so years...

And after 100 years then what? Oh I see, we won't be around so fuck it, who cares. Meee, little me, I care. I care because co2 emissions are accelerating the speed at which any natural climate changes are taking place; I care because I love this planet; I care because have children and now grandchildren - and although I'm unlikely to be around to see their children, I care about the sort of world they will be born into.

Every where I walk, I'm seeing solar panels on roofs - saw some on an outbuilding in Avebury village the other day - they don't interfere with anyone else personal 'space' so surely must be one of the ways forward, subsidies therefore should continue.

Right on. I agree with all of that June. I don't have kids but I still love this planet and don't want it trashed by people who only think in the short term and 100 years is the VERY short term.

Re the solar panels - there were a lot of get-rich-quick merchants involved when this first started (there's probably still some now) but generally this has been a positive and sensible scheme IMHO. The decision to cut the tarif will discourage a lot of people from signing up, as well as costing yet more jobs (in one of the few industries that has actually created any in the last 12 months).

I understood that we are currently in an Interglacial, though? That is waiting for the inevitable mile high glaciers to advance and destroy everything we know and have ever known in a few thousand years - once again. Or has the apparent 'global warming' meant that is not going to happen? If so, guess we are going to knock the Earth's natural cycles out of kilter. But is anyone really prepared to sacrifice life on earth to maintain the natural integrirty of the earth? Interesting point, but I'm with Nigel Lawson.... global warming data has been falsified for political gain and profit and doesn't reflect the true picture.
Hands up those who think that global warming has something to do with all the atomic and nuclear bombs that were exploded in the upper atmosphere during the 70's? It surely must have had a devasting effect on the ozone layer!

R Resonox
Resonox Nov 19, 2011 09:35:59
Replying to Sanctuary

Sanctuary wrote:
Hands up those who think that global warming has something to do with all the atomic and nuclear bombs that were exploded in the upper atmosphere during the 70's? It surely must have had a devasting effect on the ozone layer!
There is also a school of thought which blames it all on the space race too...all those rockets etc bursting through the protective layers....BTW if you look carefully there is a lot less mention of "Global Warming".....it is now classified as "Climate Change"...presumably to encompass ANY weather conditions from drought caused by the planet overheating to another ice-age....and blame the everyday punters on the ground....not those making and taking decisions on our behalf...oh and also so as they can charge us for feeling guilty for their climate crimes.

T tjj
tjj Nov 19, 2011 09:59:33
Replying to Sanctuary

Sanctuary wrote:
GLADMAN wrote:
I understood that we are currently in an Interglacial, though? That is waiting for the inevitable mile high glaciers to advance and destroy everything we know and have ever known in a few thousand years - once again. Or has the apparent 'global warming' meant that is not going to happen? If so, guess we are going to knock the Earth's natural cycles out of kilter. But is anyone really prepared to sacrifice life on earth to maintain the natural integrirty of the earth? Interesting point, but I'm with Nigel Lawson.... global warming data has been falsified for political gain and profit and doesn't reflect the true picture.
Hands up those who think that global warming has something to do with all the atomic and nuclear bombs that were exploded in the upper atmosphere during the 70's? It surely must have had a devasting effect on the ozone layer!
Gladman, it does look as though the threat of glaciers to the communities who live near them is receding due to the acceleration of global warming but that is just one small aspect of the big picture as parts of Africa become arid wastelands and other parts of the world are decimated by floods. I totally disagree that the (quote) 'global warming data has been falsified for political and profit and doesn't reflect the true picture' - I personally believe the reverse. That the millions of individuals in their cars and ever so important plane journeys across the sky are cause of all this. And yes I you can call me a hypocrite because although I don't own a car I'll always accept a lift if one is going as most of us operate on the basis that 'life is short' grab as much as you can while you can.

Roy, I hadn't considered nuclear testing aspect; I'm sure the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima would agree with you. Its part of the hell bent journey of destruction that mankind seemed to embark on at the beginning of the 20th Century - what went wrong? Super intelligence along with super-egotism and greed, perhaps this has always been who we are as a species!