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The few things I have read (and maybe it just says a lot about the kind of books I opt for!) suggest its all part of Shaman rituals. If you take certain hallucinogens then you see concentric rings, squiggly lines, zigzags etc.

These were (and still are in areas where there are still shamans) often believed to be the ACTUAL next dimention or the land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to.

When Graham Hancock took ibogaine as study for the book Supernatural he saw the exact symbols that are often seen as rock art in ancient caves such a wiggly lines, serpents and circles.

faerygirl wrote:
The few things I have read (and maybe it just says a lot about the kind of books I opt for!) suggest its all part of Shaman rituals. If you take certain hallucinogens then you see concentric rings, squiggly lines, zigzags etc.

These were (and still are in areas where there are still shamans) often believed to be the ACTUAL next dimention or the land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to.

When Graham Hancock took ibogaine as study for the book Supernatural he saw the exact symbols that are often seen as rock art in ancient caves such a wiggly lines, serpents and circles.

Oh and that whatisname... Narby, he did experiments with ayahuasca and saw giant snakes as well as recurring geometric patterns. I think these patterns became so important to the people as a connection to other dimentions that they were used at stone circles to help invoke the same spirits.

faerygirl wrote:
The few things I have read (and maybe it just says a lot about the kind of books I opt for!) suggest its all part of Shaman rituals. If you take certain hallucinogens then you see concentric rings, squiggly lines, zigzags etc.

These were (and still are in areas where there are still shamans) often believed to be the ACTUAL next dimention or the land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to.

When Graham Hancock took ibogaine as study for the book Supernatural he saw the exact symbols that are often seen as rock art in ancient caves such a wiggly lines, serpents and circles.

Most of that thinking is due to the writings of David Lewis -Williams , which have been roundly refuted .
Rather than go into detail two problems (there are others but just in reference to the above ) are ; what hallucinogens produce only the very limited number and type of motifs found in rock art ? . If you have had no experience ask or read of others experience , it tends to be far more varied and interesting .We can't possibly know who engraved the prehistoric marking . Some shamen , or what is described as shamen by ethnographers (it can be a much wider category than the original meaning , encompassing almost anyone involved in religious /magical practices ) have been shown to have engraved motifs in the historical period and this has been extrapolated to periods and cultures that we can't possibly have evidence for .We also know that other obviously non shamanic types have also been shown to engrave rock art but this is conveniently ignored ,children or shepherds don't seem to have the same romantic cachet .

faerygirl wrote:
The few things I have read (and maybe it just says a lot about the kind of books I opt for!) suggest its all part of Shaman rituals. If you take certain hallucinogens then you see concentric rings, squiggly lines, zigzags etc.

These were (and still are in areas where there are still shamans) often believed to be the ACTUAL next dimention or the land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to.

When Graham Hancock took ibogaine as study for the book Supernatural he saw the exact symbols that are often seen as rock art in ancient caves such a wiggly lines, serpents and circles.

what exactly do you mean by shaman rituals?
Have you taken significant doses of hallucinogens?
would you therefore say they are interpretations of some psycho-spiritual process? if so what is this process?
When you so vaguely talk of the " land of the dead or the spirits of wherever you were trying to get to. what exactly are you referring to?
This is so vague and open to interpretation that i have no idea of your point!
Please illuminate.