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megadread wrote:
But that's the accepted way of disposing of our rubbish, is it not. ?
Being accepted doesn't make something right.

I know it's not ideal but unfortunately it's the only means of disposal available to most of us, and it's legal, leaving your crap at ancient sites is not, it's littering, simple.
Well it's not simple, is it? If it was, everyone would hold the same view and behave in the same way. And if legality is our moral compass, how do we feel about governments destroying ancient sites to build roads?

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, but the tone that always comes across in these discussions is counter-productive. It's better to understand why people do what they do and to try and change their ways through reasoned discussion. Just because someone doesn't see things in the same way as you, it doesn't mean that they lack personal integrity. Some may feel that offerings are entirely legitimate and feel quite morally justified in leaving them. That doesn't make them bad people - it simply means that they may not have looked at things from your perspective. And encouraging them to do so is best achieved without lecturing. Please don't take this as a personal criticism, because I can understand why people get so passionate about this issue.

Close to Barbrook 1 stone circle is a reconstructed cairn, every time i go there i find more and more little bits of quartz and to be honest i don't mind that as they're usually hidden under the stones, it's the bits of plastic tat that wind me up, in full view of everyone who visits, when these items become weather worn and dirty do the original owners return to take them away, i think not, they get lobbed to one side in the long grass then take a thousand years to rot, i just can't see how anyone can accept that as responsible behaviour.
As for tea lights, don't get me started on them. : z
I agree that leaving such things is pretty ignorant, and there's little excuse for it, but good habits are something that we have to teach. In our throw-away society, I think it simply doesn't occur to people that leaving such crap is unacceptable. We need to engage with such folk and educate them. They probably don't realise that they're doing anything wrong.

I agree that leaving such things is pretty ignorant, and there's little excuse for it, but good habits are something that we have to teach. In our throw-away society, I think it simply doesn't occur to people that leaving such crap is unacceptable. We need to engage with such folk and educate them. They probably don't realise that they're doing anything wrong.
But these people are supposed to be "in touch" with nature, the natural world and the "vibe" of the stones / sites aren't they. ?
Whilst i get your point i just can't understand how they can justify leaving something so unnatural at a site they revere knowing full well it will take centuries to break down.
People make long journeys in some cases to leave these offerings so why not put the same effort into sourcing a real rose for example instead of leaving a plastic one. ?
If i was of a mind to leave an offering i'd put a little thought into it, leaving stuff that won't naturally break down is just offensive to me and selfish on their part imo.

I agree that leaving such things is pretty ignorant, and there's little excuse for it....

Well none actually. How long is it that most pagans have been asking the self-gratifying minority of their fellows to keep to the ASLaN charter (which FULLY explains its own raison d'etre?) It's like the metal detectorists, 13 years and £20 million of state financed "education and persuasion" and most of them still don't tell anyone what they find. And some people STILL think their own wishes outrank the ASLaN charter. All this "the best way is to persuade, not condemn" is all very well but after how many years of failure to persuade is it OK to condemn? ;)

Take the little scrote that writes "Shite" in red spray paint on trees, walls, houses, windows and windscreens round my way. Should we recognise it's "complicated" and gently explain to him over a period of perhaps 11 years (the age of the ASLaN Charter) why, despite his personal conviction he is adding to the charm of the town and appeasing the Stourport Bogle, we think it's a tad antisocial, as is being suggested for these off-their-rocker offerers, or should we get him to clean it all up with his tonsils? Eh? Eh?

:>)