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I was at Long Meg a day or two before the tree was chopped down. I can sympathise with the farmer, though I think it would have been better if some other solution could be found. My personal view is that a few cloth offerings - rags tied to branches - can actually be quite attractive and pleasant to see, but at Long Meg there were a lot of non-degradable items. Maybe things like the toy vehicles made from metal have some significance to someone - presumably they do - but a more eco-friendly option would definitely be better for all concerned.

The practical question, of course, is "what practical solution is there?" Obviously we have a wide variety of views on this, from what's already been said, but I think we'd all agree that avoiding damage to the site is the priority, and the leaving of offerings that don't readily decay is a close second to that.

Chopping things down isn't a long-term solution, even if it was practical or desirable. I expect next time I'm at Long Meg there'll be things tied to the other trees/hedges in the vicinity. Notices from English Heritage might help - if well-worded - but that depends on their being read and heeded.

However things are done, it looks like the leaving of offerings is here to stay and trying to ban it would be counter-productive.

It seems to me the most productive way forward would be to join a few neo-pagan discussion forums and calmly and rationally suggest that biodegradable offerings would be much preferable to the kinds of things being left now. Ideas take root if presented in a congenial way and with frequency. This may not work, but I think it's worth a try, and I'm intending to do it. Those of us with a deep antipathy to anything new age, neo-pagan or whatever will need to proceed with caution, or hang around at the back. :D

I'm also thinking about selling biodegradable paper/cloth slips that can be written on and hung onto a tree or bush with minimal damage. Somebody, at least, could do with looking into that.

Sweep wrote:
I was at Long Meg a day or two before the tree was chopped down. I can sympathise with the farmer, though I think it would have been better if some other solution could be found. My personal view is that a few cloth offerings - rags tied to branches - can actually be quite attractive and pleasant to see, but at Long Meg there were a lot of non-degradable items. Maybe things like the toy vehicles made from metal have some significance to someone - presumably they do - but a more eco-friendly option would definitely be better for all concerned.

The practical question, of course, is "what practical solution is there?" Obviously we have a wide variety of views on this, from what's already been said, but I think we'd all agree that avoiding damage to the site is the priority, and the leaving of offerings that don't readily decay is a close second to that.

Chopping things down isn't a long-term solution, even if it was practical or desirable. I expect next time I'm at Long Meg there'll be things tied to the other trees/hedges in the vicinity. Notices from English Heritage might help - if well-worded - but that depends on their being read and heeded.

However things are done, it looks like the leaving of offerings is here to stay and trying to ban it would be counter-productive.

It seems to me the most productive way forward would be to join a few neo-pagan discussion forums and calmly and rationally suggest that biodegradable offerings would be much preferable to the kinds of things being left now. Ideas take root if presented in a congenial way and with frequency. This may not work, but I think it's worth a try, and I'm intending to do it. Those of us with a deep antipathy to anything new age, neo-pagan or whatever will need to proceed with caution, or hang around at the back. :D

I'm also thinking about selling biodegradable paper/cloth slips that can be written on and hung onto a tree or bush with minimal damage. Somebody, at least, could do with looking into that.

Thats a wonderful idea! Something beautiful, quickly biodegradable and that you can write your message/ prayer/ offering on. At least that way you can be sure its not gonna be there for long! AND the money could be used for upkeep on the site (reference the other thread about using stone circles to make money)

I think saying that removing things to "restore" it to how it was intended is quite an assumption as we dont have a clue what these things are for, although we can guess they wern't leaving pottery cows or metal toys...

:)

[quote="Sweep"]

It seems to me the most productive way forward would be to join a few neo-pagan discussion forums and calmly and rationally suggest that biodegradable offerings would be much preferable to the kinds of things being left now. Ideas take root if presented in a congenial way and with frequency. This may not work, but I think it's worth a try, and I'm intending to do it. Those of us with a deep antipathy to anything new age, neo-pagan or whatever will need to proceed with caution, or hang around at the back. :D

Sweep - I think this is an excellent way forward and I really hope you go for it. I should probably hang around at the back....not that I have an antipathy for non-consensual beliefs or anything. What I omitted in my original post was that the person who asked me to go and clear the stuff up in the first place did so because he'd been talking to the tree and he said it told him it wasn't very happy being so adorned.

Personally I dont know about how the tree felt, but I'm pretty sure quite alot of the non-biodegradable stuff left as offerings is harmful to wildlife and farm animals. My view is that the important part of the offering is what occurs in the individual who makes the offering, not so much what occurs to the offering once it is made. (That doesnt mean I think its ok for offerings to end up as landfill. I dont think its ok for anything to end up as landfill actually, but thats something im still working on...)