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Surely "can I buy you a pint?" is the quintessential archeo formality!

Apropos the 'worm cast' aspect of sinking structures. Obviously that's a little simplistic, with a variety of erosional aspects all playing a part...

I have asked a number of geologists and archaeologists for an opinion on the following and never had anything other than an evasive reply.

I was in Rome a few years back and marvelling at the fact that the renaissance remains stand 16ft or so above the Roman Forum. It started me wondering how people related to buildings that were gradually disappearing below ground. The area has always been populated so generations of people watched the earth climb over the doorstep, up the walls, over the roof etc.

Why? Why didn't they keep it clear and live in the houses? At what point did those Roman remains lose their human connection? It confuses the hell out of me (and apparently the experts who never answer). Any of you clever folk have an idea?

Rupert Soskin wrote:
Surely "can I buy you a pint?" is the quintessential archeo formality!

Apropos the 'worm cast' aspect of sinking structures. Obviously that's a little simplistic, with a variety of erosional aspects all playing a part...

I have asked a number of geologists and archaeologists for an opinion on the following and never had anything other than an evasive reply.

I was in Rome a few years back and marvelling at the fact that the renaissance remains stand 16ft or so above the Roman Forum. It started me wondering how people related to buildings that were gradually disappearing below ground. The area has always been populated so generations of people watched the earth climb over the doorstep, up the walls, over the roof etc.

Why? Why didn't they keep it clear and live in the houses? At what point did those Roman remains lose their human connection? It confuses the hell out of me (and apparently the experts who never answer). Any of you clever folk have an idea?

Rupert, I don't think the Romans are very popular on this particular forum .... but as ever you have given food for thought. I do hope someone comes back and answers your question more fully.

Rome was invaded many times since the forum was built; the Celts invaded in 387BC thus earning the title "Founders of Europe". Centuries later the Barbarians (Ostrogoths, Vandals etc) plundered Rome, so perhaps ruined buildngs were used as footings or foundations for what followed. The Renaissance Romans would not have had the equipment to do anything else than build on top of what was already there ...(hope one of the many people with 'dig' knowledge comes back on this one).

I have only been to Rome once and it is an astonishing city of the ancient mixed in the with modern. It was fascinating that one of the bridges we drove over was a couple of thousand years old.

http://www.aviewoncities.com/rome/forumromanum.htm

Well whether it be worms crawling in or out Rupert have you never read 'The Ruin' poem written by a Saxon in the 8th century about Roman Bath (and I'm not arguing about which city it is) its Bath....

"This masonry is wondrous; fates broke it
courtyard pavements were smashed; the work of giants is decaying.
Roofs are fallen, ruinous towers,
the frosty gate with frost on cement is ravaged,
chipped roofs are torn, fallen,
undermined by old age. The grasp of the earth possesses
the mighty builders, perished and fallen,
the hard grasp of earth, until a hundred generations
of people have departed. Often this wall,
lichen-grey and stained with red, experienced one reign after another,
remained standing under storms; the high wide gate has collapsed."

and it goes on....

Expect they all had one too many at the local...

Many things can cause the build up of soil/anything covering a building - sometimes it's not a build up - and in ancient cities, many suburbs get abandoned for hundreds of years, so who'd notice?

It's a great question.

You get instances like Dublin where the Viking Thing Mound was leveled to raise the level of one street by some 16 foot or so. A great loss to the City!

I think it's in York where you can go below ground and see the first floor level of houses.

In a lot of cases it's just easier to rob away most of a building and cover it over in order to start afresh, so town planners just raise the level of the land to create a clean sheet.

Obviously, this isn't the case everywhere. Winchester is a great example. Apparently, the Romanised villas were abandoned there and people returned to round houses built amongst them. It must have looked odd with loads of stone-built ruins in an orderly-street-plan fashion with the huts set amongst them. Eventually, people moved on and settled in new areas leaving the ground to swallow up the remains.