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dodge one wrote:
Somewhere in my storage, i've a collected works of Irish FolK-lore from first hand accounts spoken to William Butler YEATS himself. Just crammed packed with such tales.
I'm intensly jealous... LOL. I heard that Yeats and Lady Charlotte in particular did a lot of "sanctifying" of the folklore. Doesnt a letter from Lady Charlotte say she removed the vulgar and pagan aspects as being of no interest to civilised people even if the great unwashed still loved to hear that stuff?

The proper etymology of Druid is Annointed One... the Oak stuff is mostly the early revivalists getting bogged down in the fact of oak reverence of the Druids. Peter Berresford Ellis makes a strong case for this, and earlier names for druid before linguistic drift back him up, which 17th century druid clubs didn't account for.

I thought Catholicism was pagan christianity. 400 saints instead of 400 gods and goddess... all the festivals and rituals they took over... Those letters from Pope Gregory telling everyone to sanctify pagan practices to the use of God. I don't know much about christianity apart from some of the basics though, so feel free to correct me. I see it as a good thing, that they converted without wiping out an earlier culture myself.

St Bridget and her types took over the pagan cult of the nine maidens, giving a patriarchal religion a safe outlet for reverence for the female.

St Patrick... not so sure. I think it was a spin campaign, replacing magic with miracles. Like when they say he banned the snakes from Ireland, he was banishing the evil worship of Crom the red serpent, and the more benign worship of the white serpent Nethy in a metaphor of banning snakes. Might also refer to the banning of the "serpents of wisdom" as druids supposedly called themselves.

As for magus, the word was used for anyone doing magic, from druids to saints, wasn't it?

Hi Branwen, The Irish folk-lore treasurey compendium that i have is most likely this:

http://www.amazon.com/Treasury-Irish-Myth-Legend-Folklore/dp/051748904X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254666532&sr=8-1-spell

Mine has a different cover, but i purchased it over 20 years ago. It is delightfull reading. Somewhat, as you say, "Sanctified".
But it does offer a real nice glimpse into how the Irish peasentry looked back on there culture, and the etymology of all manner of spirits, sprites, pookas, Little People, Hill forts, and the like. Many encounters with ole' satan and how the wily irish would allways best him too!

As for Magus....As you said, magicians, magic, and Magi too.....I suppose an immaculate conception and birth populated by speaking animals around the manger{have you ever heard of that legend?} would not be complete without the MAGI.
Regards.

I agree with Branwen (4th Oct.) in that St. Patrick's banishing snakes from Ireland was metaphorical, and means that he really banished the Druids.

We have the same metaphor in other areas. St. Hilda, for example, is said to have turned all the snakes in the Whitby area to stone (and for centuries, ammonites, of which there are hundreds on the beach between Whitby and Ravenscar, were held up as evidence of her act). A similar legend is attached to the misty St. Keyna, of whom we know little except that Keynsham (Somerset) is named after him/her. However, anyone who knows the North York Moors cannot for a moment take the Hilda story literally - we've a very sizeable population of adders here to this day! Metaphorical - yes.

One last - hopefully helpful - point, Branwen. The Northumbrian Priests' Law, written circa 1023 in York, banishes several pagan practices. Item 54 bans any "sanctuary round a stone or a tree or a well". Item 15 bans priests from consecrating the host "in a wooden chalice". Both these might well be c.11th references to the oak. What do you think?