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tuesday Jul 30, 2007 23:10:34
Replying to Paulus

Paulus wrote:
In the (approximately) 1000 psychedelic sessions I've done thru the years (utilising many different plants in many controlled conditions), such entoptics are very minimal indeed. However, this aint to say that wasn't the case in neolithic consciousness times;
Wow. you've been busy - and I agree it doesn't particularly fit with my experience either although something rings true. maybe that's wishful thinking and the lack of alternative causes

what do you think about the move from representational imagery to abstract imagery - like in the rock art in Er lannac? and that theory about the bicameral mind is interesting - if very speculative.

Paulus wrote:
I think it's probably best to say that where we find plants which are known to create entoptic imagery in a fixed form (unlike the datura alkaloids and psilocybin cultures), we can obviously say we have an explanation of the art. Where such psychotropes do not elicit such imagery, it's best not to apply such a formula.

Cheers - Paul

P Paulus
Paulus Jul 31, 2007 12:25:43
Replying to tuesday

Hi Tuesday

tuesday wrote:
what do you think about the move from representational imagery to abstract imagery - like in the rock art in Er lannac? and that theory about the bicameral mind is interesting - if very speculative.
I tend to think of such movement the other way round, if y' get mi drift. Though having not been and studied the region in-the-field, it'd be difficult for me to say with any real conviction. I think each site needs examining in its individual context. CRs throughout Britain are notable in their overt lack of linearity. Human figurines are few & far between, more indicative of a culture with only an emergent ego-psychology, perhaps synoynmous with the aboriginal dreamtime psychography; something which Dowson, Devereux, etc, think along. But hey - we could be talking bollox!

I'm not 100% about J. Jaynes' bicameral material misself; though it's gotta be explored as an idea. I'm more a Jungian evolutionist misself. Have y' read Neumann's History & Origins of Consciousness? It outlines the emergence of primary symbols prior to, and during the development of ego - and one of the constant symbols is, simply, the cup-and-ring (though Neumann makes no mention of CRs, as I don't think he knew about them!).