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Two crazy coincidences in the last month have led me to stumble onto a whole new world I had never encountered before, both at ancient sites.

A few weekends ago myself and my wife rested on a few boulders at the top of Knocknarea and considered Maeves Cairn from afar for a while the crowds dispersed. I noticed a stone leaning against the boulders that looked completely out of place and on closer inspection we found it concealed a black plastic bag. We weren't really sure what to do with the bag, was there a decapitated head inside? Maybe some coke cans and banana skins? A prodding with my boot confirmed that it rattled so we had a gawk inside.

In the bag was a small plastic tupperware box, inside the box was a bag with a notebook, a bottle opener, some keyrings, a CD, some stickers and a yo-yo. There was also a laminated card that informed us we had stumbled onto a geocache, a planted box of odds and ends delivered and retrieved by like-minded GPS users at sites all over the world. Flicking through the notebook we read the experiences and thoughts of dozens of people who had come across the box, intentionally and un-intentionally. We left my business card and took nothing.

This week I visited Beaghmore stone circles and it was a pretty dull day as usual so I whiled away the time removing cig butts and plastic bottles from inside the circles. Then I came across a printed sheet that had been soaked through. I couldn't read most of it but it said something about something under some big rocks, away from the old stones. Sure enough there was a couple of big rocks sitting by the sidelines in the long grass and between them was yet another plastic box with lots of goodies and baddies in it. I left another note in the book but didn't take anything or add anything.

So it turns out that there are hundreds of these boxes placed all over the place, in just about every country of the world, and a large proportion of them are at historical sites. It was interesting to read what people had written about the circles at Beaghmore and the view from Knocknarea, especially as most had only really come with an interest in finding the little box but were startled at the amazing span of history at the sites. It was a curious insight into how their world of finding little boxes and my our world of finding old stones overlapped and revealed some fresh perspectives.

So, geocaching.. Been there, done that? Any views on it as a good way of introducing people to ancient sites otherwise unvisited? Or are they just littering the countryside and even worse, bringing litterers out, like the ones at Beaghmore?

It makes me really angry actually. It's gratuitous littering. What's the matter with people that they can't visit places without swapping crappy bits of plastic? Why can't they just appreciate being there? Take a few photos. Think a few thoughts. Chuck a frisbee about or something. I think it encourages people to dig holes and move stones and leave unbiodegradable crap about. I think it's BAD. And I don't understand it. At all.

I think my partner in crime, rocknicker, may have a few views on the subject. ;)

wolfy

C Mc,
The latest trend - it's only time before it'll die a death like all trends. Haven't come across owt before at any ancient sites, but have heard about it. It's the modern phase of train spotting.
Cynically yours,
TE.

Some geocachers purport to follow a code of practice. See http://www.gagb.org.uk/gagb/guidelines.php

Some obviously choose to ignore this.

Bastards.

We had a brief spate of it in our area, and there were signs put up around the footpaths, but I never found the caches so could'nt remove them. Its a sort of combination of treasurehunting/orienteering/ and "I've been here" that used to get chalked up in public places... I expect it will have its day, I reckon they should just use compasses and not GPS, that would make it harder and stop the practice...

Geocaches at sites, leaving offerings, climbing on stones.... they're all the same argument and all irresolvable. Or are they?

If we all accept that the sites are our common heritage (and we probably do) all that has to be decided is what that means (which actually, I've never heard explained).

So...
does that mean we each have a right to interact and affect the site how we wish, since we each have individual ownership, or does that mean we don't, since none of us has individual ownership???

If the former's the case then the question of "how much" arises - Leaving a few daffodils? Leaving a plastic model of spiderman? erecting a toilet block within its ditch? putting a sheep trough adjacent to it or bringing a hammer to knock bits off to take home, buildind a house or digging a quarry right next to it? (Bear in mind NT and EH are guilty of two of those).

So, if someone would kindly define "common heritage" we can all sign up to it and stop arguing.

(BTW, this rant is fuelled by the fact that metal detectorists openly and almost universally claim that common heritage simply and solely means its their inarguable individual moral right to harvest it at will and without limit and take it home to store in a garden shed in Birkenhead).

This sort of thing has been going on for over a hundred years on Dartmoor. They call it "Letter Boxing" here. They leave an ice cream comtainer or similar box, sometimes an old ammunition box, in a spot on the moor. This box contains a book and a rubber stamp put there by the person who puts the box out. They then give out a grid refference with some clues of how to find it. The people who go looking for them also carry a stamp and a book or cards. They stamp the book in the box with their stamp and stamp their book with the stamp in the box.

They do have one rule in their code of practice that states that no box should be put on any ancient monument. They seem to stick to it as I have never found any at any of the sites I have visited. I have seen some nearby though .

The problem with it however is it causes so much errosion around the area where the boxes are put, from people walking around looking, that they are very easy to find. If I spot any while out walking I always move them to another spot nearby to help the area recover and give them a bit more of a challenge.

Peace , Lubin

went to yockenthwaite for the first time a couple of weeks ago and there was some new fangled device attached to one of the stones with a bike lock type thing and a laminated official looking notice along the lines of dont remove this device as its part of a legitimate sporting event and will be removed after the weekend.
Whats all THAT about? Im assuming that it was some gps thing - and actually attached to the stone. AAARRRRGGHHH. Id love to know who to direct my rant to, and will be adding bolt cutters to the pile of tat that lives in my car.
Yockenthwaite was absolutely gorgeous tho and ill be going back before too long.

Little boxes full of bumph? never seen one my self .
Not sure what i'd do if I did ,are they spoiling the view?
cause we put with Nuclear power stations at some places .
Can't we let the kids play with their toys ,so long as they tidy up after.

Ah I see... Opening a box of crap in turn opens a can of worms!

I'd not come across this activity before and the first few things that struck me were 1. The boxes were well away from the main sites and were tucked into natural hollows, but converesly 2. The locations were pretty obvious in both cases because of the accumulation of litter and detritus which really did concern me. I was interested in finding out if these apparently benign deposits were the exception or the rule, or do some go as far as actually disturbing the sites. I read on a geocaching website someone complaining that the geocache was very hard to find as it had been placed behind a loose stone in the walls of a ruined abbey and alarm bells started going off.

I think I get the thrust of the main arguments for/against now so feel free to drop this at your leisure ;)

Nuff said...

I've not managed to read ALL the posts here yet, so it may be that someone's already mentioed this...

Could this not be handled in much the same way as the metal detectoring thingy? I remember that there was a bit of a flame war with them a short while back and it culminated in an ethical code of practice being worked out.

http://www.heritageaction.org/?page=heritagealerts_metaldetecting

Playing devil's advocate here, I think that geocaching COULD be a great way to get the young 'uns out into the countryside and learn a bit about their history and surroundings. If done responsibly.

Can "we" work with "them", perhaps, so that they can continue to enjoy their hobby, us ours, and nothing and nobody gets hurt?

I know there'll still be gangs of renegade geocachers around who insist on kicking down bus stops and putting small tupperware containers where they shouldn't ;o) but maybe awareness is the key - maybe they don't realise they're causing damage...

I feel I should run away and hide now... ;o)

G x