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Hi Mick

< I have seen and experienced (first hand) traditions that not only stretch back 2000yrs (some much less) but have used particular sites (including the natural lanscape) in a very particular and precise manner. >

I'm assuming here that you're on about the times you've spent in northern India, yeah?

< The way sites are used is not only passed on in the oral tradition but is allso in the written form......I dont want to get to tied up in the particulars as this is not the point of this post and these particular sites are not in the u.k. I do however suggest that we can learn a hell of lot from these living traditions, and possibly relearn our own >

The problem as I've always seen this arena is the pollution which emerges from the modern pseudo-religious flavours - which aren't necessarily bad, but they certainly bear little resemblance to original uses. Finding out how any ceremonial/ritual/sacred site may have been used in Britain or Western Europe comes to us only through the fragments of xtian scrolls, and the profuse folklore records. In Eliade's 'Patterns in Comparative Religion' we find tons of correlates between the religious concepts and rituals of places echoed at many places in the UK, but this seems rarely to be taken up by many folk. I'm not sure whether that's because specific intellectual groups are uncomfortable with adopting concepts like animism, polytheism, etc, into the archaeocentric beliefs systems which keep changing with the times, or whether it's simply cos they don't think anthropology and comparative religion has any relationship with the British neolithic. Which seems either naive on the one hand, or just damn stupid. I also think just talking or writing about such (seeming) conceptual ideas like animism, instead of gerrin' out there and giving it a go, inhibits the ability to write or talk about such things with any validity.

Ritual use of sites in the UK similar to what is found at sites elsewhere in the world DO echo each other - with obviously differences occasionally, but these relate to the difference in 'genius loci', or animistic propensity of respective spots. Is this what you're on about?

Hello Paul , I think there fair number of current pro archaeos are informed by anthropology and even animism has made a comeback .Israeli anthropologust Nurit Bird -David had a very influential paper from '99 "Animism revisited" which has had quite an influence . Her earlier work with the Nayak hunter gatherers in India also gave an insight into how the usual metaphor "forest is ancestor" whereby the enviroment will punish when you behave badly is not universal and a "Forest is parent " metaphor is another possibility . Somehow I can't see the latter fitting the Mesolithic -Neolithic here but you never know .

hi paul ,yes i am refering to India, Nepal,Tibet etc. I would posit the veiw that not seeing (unwilling to see) that anthropology and comparative religion has any relationship with the british neolithic is nether based on naivety or stupidity, but fear. It is outside most 'westerners' comfort zone and would normally question there very view of the world and their place in it. in a 'science' and pseudo-science based culture we like to qualify and quantify or the other side of the coin are those that drift off into fairy worlds of delusion and made up romantic ideas of dead traditions (that probably bear little resemblence to the originals) It is a difficult tightrope to walk between to two, and no one wants to look a fool! I agree that words regarding these trads ,are just that words and in no way substitute experience, but as for relating to the difference in 'genius loci' or animistic propensity......spot on! regards MM