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>...the primeval was outside the circle, the circle is the beginning of civilisation...<

Ahh but is it? Was the primeval inside or outside the circle? What do we actually do when we enclose a space (and sometimes make it sacred?). Was a circle a sanctuary? What's the meaning of a sanctuary? Hang on, I'll just check that. <i>Sanctuary "...a place where birds wild animals, breed and are protected." "...a place of refuge..."</i> Perhaps circles, shrines and temples, in fact any place of 'sacredness', is a place where the ancients and all that is connected to them dwell.

At the heart of a least one religion there is nothing other than the original spirit - the primeval 'sense' of it all, protected forever from the turmoil of transformation. Nothing happened there, nothing need happen, it had already happened.

Inside, outside... all this speculation will give you a headache Littlestone, you know it will.

Just to make sure, don't forget there's a third possibility, that its the circle itself that matters... endless, eternal, perfection conjured up in a disordered world...