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thanks i will check that one day.

He certainly isnt hip, i have not heard of him. I also highly value the marrying of anthropology and archaeology. There is just no reason we do not know MUCH more about megalithic or pagan rituals when most people completely ignore the strata of european belief and yet say we 'do not know anything' about prehistoric culture. You would be surprised to see how some reports by the Romans about the 'celts' they encountered could still describe 'religious' festivals in Iberian villages which, although christianized, have retained most of the pastoralist ritual hidden under the name of a saint (quite likely the personalisation of the ancient gods),.

Equally, Odin/Wodan was the adaptation of ancient gods in Northern Europe, occupied at the time before the IE by Finns and Lapps in post-glacial Scandinavia. Even until recently, the original native population of Scandinavia was considered like the native Americans. It is hard to understand when the Scando-Germanic tribes have been in that area since the Bronze Age. I previously believed that Odin was mostly taken from these pre-IE tribes but recently I am more and more convinced that it is strictly IE with shamanic elements from pre-IE Finnish belief. It is also interesting to note that the Keltic divinities with no name to which, for instance, Gallic or Galician tribes worshipped and sacrificed, mainly their god of war - and which the Romans witnessed and called Mercury - were basically Woden/Odin so it must have had an Indoeuropean basis.

I have also recently come across the possible coincidence Dyonisus/Odin and the words Don, or the Donau river, the Danube. I will have to have a look at Indoeuropean terminology and place name lists again.
And pronto.

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GP

A better punctuation could help clarify my muddled thoughts.

"Even until recently, the original native population of Scandinavia was considered like the native Americans. It is hard to understand when the Scando-Germanic tribes have been in that area since the Bronze Age"

I meant "That is hard to understand if you think that the S-G have been there since the Bronze Age and earlier", meaning that the proto-vikings have always been the ancients, the natives and have always been there, when in fact 4,000 years ago they were newcomers from the east like the rest of the IE migrations (which by the way is the only big migration I believe in with the Mesolithic ones from south to norht after the retreat of the glaciers)

There is so much there to unravel. "Don" occurs in river names in Britain of course as well as the European Don and Danube. Must be a very early IE name

Odin gets around and I have previously linked him to the late Neolithic, one-eyed Dagenham Idol - see my drawing at http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=12127

Several Bronze/Iron Age wooden carvings of Odin also found in Denmark

I too reckon his roots lie in eastern shamanism. Consider too the basic attributes of the shaman - drumming, animism, shape shifting, totem animals, spirit walking, healing, magic.. If Odin is also Woden and Wotan - can he also be the meso-American Votan? Consider Votan's attributes too - drumming, healing, magic. Don't laugh, but could there be a common source? Odin/Woden/Wotan came westwards into northern Europe while Votan migrated from Siberia via the Bering Straights. Or is Votan/Wotan just a coincidence? Two entirely different and unconnected shamanic gods?