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I really do still feel strongly that contemporary mainstream science and Goethean/Spinozean (sp?) science (arguably closer to early human understanding of the world?) have much to lend each other in pursuit of a greater, harmonic, understanding of 'reality' (that’s inner and outer 'reality') and *being* - you know - health and vitality, sympathy, empathic response and all that stuff.

Additionally, it is uncomfortable to observe any paradigm shift, filtered as it is through our insecurity and attendant arrogance
“My father believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature but as nature, equivalent to it. “
Dorion Sagan, son of Carl Sagan
I do, I must own, have (after reading the other thread) much empathy for Cropredy - which sounds hypocritical from me having roundly blasted The Cr*ley in the past for not 'having proof' I even consider(ed) Cropredy to be similar, bearing trademark features. That horrible jury of mine is out! Please accept my apologies.

Even though self-appointed ("I'm Am The Chosen!") New Age preachers get my back up something terrible, I must remain cautious not to ascribe such tendencies towards every individual who brings some seemingly wonky scientific ideas to back up their intuitive personal revelations. Although one can deny anothers personal revelations - it is a sticky area!

Problem is, the revelant (?new word alert?) can often be equally rude and presumptuous.

Between perceived fallacies (I believe) also lie different truths - there has to?

Argh... feel like saying that 'everything is truth'. Yet always some people are just self-absorbed (choose expletive). No philosophy, however charitable, can brook that fact.

Still, we will brand the ‘nutter’, and always did. Scientists were branded nutters by the church, preachers are branded nutters by the scientists, poets are branded nutters by fiscally successful publishers etc etc ;-)

‘Madness’

How do we measure madness? By its effects upon the physical world or society? Or by the way it makes us feel? Maybe by the effect on the ‘madman’ himself - his efficacy or lack thereof to exist in step with ‘our’ reality? All three? When we proclaim someone to be a nutter, we more often than not dispense with such niceties as ‘degrees’ of nuttiness and make absolute our proclamation.

I too, then, am mad - for example I 'feel' the helical, outward and inward-reaching spirit of nature, of life, growth, the 'essence', but I can only 'measure' it by its effect upon Me, not always by its effect upon You. Does that mean 'it' doesn't exist? Or it doesn’t exist in the * way * that I feel it? There lies a problem of interpersonal communication. It of course becomes onerous/tiresome to listen to other’s fundamental ‘ism’ experiences, unless of course, they coincide with ours, then of a sudden we are ‘all ears’ and much more receptive, even welcoming. Could this fragility in some way explain the tendency of religious ‘mass-belief’, of mono-theism, scientism, ism-ism. The great insecurity?


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The Shaman

Someone here, don’t remember who, uttered the ‘shamanistic’ word with palpable irritation. There lies, I feel, a great rift between ancient cultures and the current obsession with ‘objectivist’ science. In trying to understand ancient cultures (for example, the Neolithic) I believe we are committing a great error by poo-pooing the inherent quality of experience that dictates our (and of course their) reactions and shapes our daily lives and tasks.

For example, take the recent discussion of “how was ‘energy’ more special to the ancients than our telephone lines to us?”

Good question. Yet such a statement is in direct opposition to this one:
“The arch of sky and mightiness of storms
Have moved the spirit within me,
Till I am carried away
Trembling with joy.”
Uvavnuk, Inuit shaman
In other words; stating that ‘energy is/was commonplace (non-sacred)’ is simply voicing a personal/experiential feeling, As does the above Inuit shaman quote. The *difference* is only experiential – the desire/feeling of the author to either exalt, or to degrade. We do not need to project this feeling on to others to find ‘evidence’. The only ‘proof’ that there is any wonder or power in these experiences is empirical by nature. Hard-nosed objectivism, on the other hand, must deny our place in the universe in order to satisfy it’s own criteria. Personally, I find such disciplines to be like black/white thought, neither I believe is absolute. How can one be? We invented both of them, beejeeezuz!
For instance, I *know* that many people do not hold wonder for the ability to communicate via satellite technology, or even cups and string. Neither do some wonder to watch a plant grow, or a moth pupate, etc. If using that dearth of feeling as ‘proof’ then becomes my adopted ethos - the wonder and empathy is so easily squashed flat. ‘Experience’ is always dictated by a state of mind or a belief, no matter how ‘objective’ the author claims to be. Fuzziness!
That, I feel, is not proof of anything other than the suggestibility of the human mind, and the fragility of the ego/self. We can foster a dearth of experience and ‘reality’ so as not to risk being ‘different’ or ‘fanciful.’ Empiricism is here hoisted by the petard of it’s unkind sibling;‘objectivism’. Pick over the bones of that argument, but I feel it boils down to pure psychology. ‘I” in the unIverse. Where am I?
“The tree which moves some to tears of joy is in the eyes of others only a green thing that stands in the way. Some see nature all ridicule and deformity ... and some scarce see nature at all. But to the eyes of the man of imagination, nature is imagination itself.” William Blake
Imagination is both a joy and a burden. We revolt at the singing poet, we embrace the carping cynic. We revolt at the critic, we embrace the music. Nothing is absolute! Imagination is divine, is it not? It is both freedom from knowledge and a giver of knowledge. A wonderful dichotomy, I reckon.
But to state plainly how I feel about this dowsing thing: I feel like being much less reactionary towards 'believers' as the whole thing resonates with at least some of my ‘intuiting’ along the way. I lose my way somewhere of late, so its good to read what you ALL are saying here, it gives me strength, joy, fires the spirit, and that lovin’ 'feelin'!'. We can all get lost in reverence of ideology and belief, whatever *it* is. But them big boots can mash the evidence!

“Earth’s crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God: But only he who sees takes off his shoes” Elizabeth Barrett Browning.

Long live TMA and all. A happy Yuletide to each and every one. Ramble on…

* The buzzard of morfe

PS If anyone still has the appetite for more scoff for thought, particularly on the subject of 'the ley line problem', then I just wolfed this essay down:

http://integral-inquiry.com/docs/ley_and_labyrinth.pdf