Megalithic Poems

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nigelswift wrote:
Ahaaa! Looks like it doesn't it.

Warn't Mary great?!

Surely it was Alfred that was Great?

Mary Cope visited Avebury in 1885, the poem was dated the following year. Elizabeth's stay in Avebury was forty years earlier, her book was published in 1853. Whilst it is of course possible that Mary read Elizabeth's book and the religious aspect encourages that thought, the poem was undoubtedly grounded in the visit to the motherland. One particular aspect that perhaps underlines this, is that Mary's poem tends to lean on the historic fabric and nature more than the prehistory and the ancient mystery wilderness aspect, which is an edge present in Elizabeth's final pages emphasizing the theme of the lead character living independently. Mary’s passing reference to the prehistoric oddities in just one verse in eight is rather at odds with a religiously attuned individual visiting such a highly unusual place at a time in the nineteenth century when it was at the peak of being painted by residents and visitors as close in resemblance and religious feel to the natural beginnings of England/the earth/an Eden. Something Elizabeth's book possibly helped underpin. One would then conclude that one didn’t influence the other in terms of what was said about Avebury, but one supposes in view of what Elizabeth’s novel is known for it could have done in other ways.

Elizabeth visited Wordsworth 3 years before she published it.
Does this help?

;)

Very interesting Mr V.

The dates I gave for Mary (1852-1882) were incorrect - they should have been 1852-1888 (entry here http://www.haverford.edu/library/special/aids/copeevans/page2.php if anyone's interested). moss has also written at length about the Cope family here - http://northstoke.blogspot.com/2010/04/cope-family.html

So Mary was 33 when she visited Avebury, 34 when her poem was written and 36 when she died? With references in her poem to, "...pinks and stocks the beds are gay... With scent of woodbine and of rose. Above the borders trim." looks like she was here in the summer (for how long in Avebury though?).

There's an online (1858) edition of The Experience of Life here if anyone's interested - http://www.archive.org/details/experiencelife04sewegoog (haven't had time to check if it contains the 'Avebury' bit though).

One would then conclude that one didn’t influence the other in terms of what was said about Avebury, but one supposes in view of what Elizabeth’s novel is known for it could have done in other ways.
Perhaps, though here are a couple more similarities that suggest Mary may have read and been influenced by Elizabeth's book -


Elizabeth -

My cottage is close to the rectory; close also to the church, which is, however, on the opposite side of the road. It is low, and thatched, covered with creepers, and standing in a little garden, dotted with flower-beds, which it is the delight of the school children to keep in order for me.

Mary -

Deep hangs the thatch on cottage eaves,
And buried deep in ivy leaves...
And happy children come and go
With rosy cheek and rustic walk,

Elizabeth -

I have lived there ever since I came to Leigh, and it has become very dear to me, for it is my home, as far as regards this world...

Mary -

Home of sweet days and thankful nights,
Fair fall on thee the morning light...

They both walk through the churchyard, each reflecting on the gravestones; Elizabeth wishing to be buried in a sunny spot opposite the south porch, soothed in the knowledge that she will be connected to the church and to those she loved in a safe little corner of England. Mary (who had lived through, and would have know of the horrors of the American Civil War where some 620,000 lives were lost) perhaps reflecting more on the transience of life and the anonymity of death.

Sunk in the graveyard plot around,
The moss-grown headstones scarce
are found
Few stoop the lettering to trace
Which time's rude hand will soon efface.

Fascinating stuff...