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Skull and Crossbones: This symbol can be found on old gravestones in Ireland. Some are in Tipperary, some in Kildare and also Meath. But what do they mean? And why does the symbol vary so widely from place to place?

Those Castlelough ones are interesting. However, the skull and crossbones motif is far more common in Leitrim & Fermanagh where they are most often accompanied by a timer and a coffin.

http://www.megalithomania.com/show/site/451/1246

They just symbolise death. Quite a morbid yet simple explanantion. If they are Templar graves then practically everyone in the northwest was a Knight ... nice thought though.

Sea Pirate?
Plague victim? (don't dig here!)
Masonic Connections?

Sea Pirate?
Plague victim? (don't dig here!)
Masonic Connections?

I've seen skull and crossbones on gravestones in different parts of Scotland too. can't think exactly where, but I think I'm right in saying there's some at Dull (Nick Brand'll be able to say aye or nae to that if he's around) which would lend weight to the Templar and Masonic arguments.

also found this (minus the crossbones) at St Serf's Church in Dunning:

http://www.andysweet.co.uk/stones/skull.jpg

Cheers
Andy S

Many gravestones from the 18th C found in Cornwall have the skull and crossbones carved into them. Nearly all of these are made of slate, later gravestones tending to be of granite and not so easily to carve. It seems to have been a fashion rather than anything else, other favoured inscriptions of the time being an image of the persons head sprouting wings and flying off to heaven.

Whilst researching a walk in Tavistock some years ago I visited the sarcophagus of Ordulf...a giant of a man who was supposed to have founded the town back in saxon times. For such a big man the stone chest is rather small...I asked about this and was told that only the skull and long leg bones were buried for some reason.

I will try to find my papers and find out why, but this may be a reason behind the skull and crossbones image......

Mr H

Haven't had time to read through all the replies on this (just most), so excuse me if I repeat anything previously stated.

As far as I remember Kildare was one of the last refuges of the 'Jacobite Free and Accepted Masons' as opposed to the 'Hannoverian Freemasons' of the Grand Lodge of England (ie todays Freemasons) and their local clones. The history follows general history, Jacobites big in Ireland and Scotland after they get the boot in England. But over time, the failure of Jacobite uprisings and the insidious infiltration into Scotland and Ireland of either out right Hannoverian factions, or at least 'moderate non-Jacobite Catholics' who'd done a peace deal with them, saw the old school 'Jacobites' (more of a culture of 'aristocratic libertinism' by then rather than a political stance) get pushed into the fringes. I think one of those fringes was Kildare etc. The original Masonry (said to be related to Templarism) was Jacobite and moved were they went. In fact it seems to have evolved with Jacobitism. The Hannoverian stuff was just the 'commercial version' :) and wasn't the real 'grassroots' thing. The two also used slightly different symbolism or rather gave different emphasis to traditional symbols. Hannoverian Masons certainly used the skull and cross bones in the 3rd degree Master Masons Ritual (a death rebirth deal) but didn't really emphasise it much else where (maybe as they were 'respectable bourgeoisie'). Whereas Jacobite Masons seemed to love it (maybe because they were a 'rebel faction').

Its also possible there was a Templar inheritance, that was lost on the Hannoverians. Most theories of Templar > Mason evolution are absolute rubbish. However any genealogical research shows the same families were often involved in both (including my ancestors, which is how I found out. And no I haven't preserved a secret family tradition, or have I? {insert spooky organ music} ) But anyway, in King John's time, the Master of the Knights Templar in England was one John St Leger (descendent of a Burgundian arriving with William I in 1066). In the 17th century a senior Jacobite Mason in Ireland was his direct descendent, also called St Leger (and yes he was a gambler and he did found the famous horserace of that name). His faction disappeared off to the countriside after the 'English' took over Dublin! :)

Now the Templars did use the Skull and Crossbones symbol without any doubt, it can be checked in any archeological study. It came from the Lady of Sidon story I think, where a dead woman gives birth to a skull between her thighs bones in a grave after having sex with a Crusader. Weird medieval necrophillic legend with alleged esoteric meaning (don't ask me what)! But lots of Crusaders used the symbol after this, most noticably many Templars. The Templars were also said to have kept a skull as a secret relic, possibly the infamous 'Head of Baphomet'.

Other people used the Skull and Crossbones of course, so its not just Templar or Masonic automatically. These others included some Pirates, not all though, some used crossed swords and a skull or just crossed swords, and many used something completely different, a hawk for instance or a simple plain black flag. The flag was the symbol of the captain of the ship and his personal totem, so none were exactly the same. Curiously those who first used different versions of the Skull and Crossbones as a symbol seem to have been often of Irish or Cornish descent (as far as my limited research here indicates) and were originally privateers rather than pirates (state sponsored pirates who fought national enemies, before going rogue, a bit like bin Laden). These people were often 'libertine aristocrats' like the last Jacobites became, so its tempting to surmise a link. Though as yet I've not come across one. It would make sense for ex Jacobites to become Privateers and Pirates as many certainly became Mercenaries in later years (including St Legers). So these graves MIGHT be very interesting.

Steve